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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 60405.html

The first sign at how the Cons will not be able to govern without comprimise and shows that they can.

This is an important step, we are a democracy, the troops serve Canada in our name. They should have democratic support of the house. And if the will of the people don't want the forces doing something they are, they shouldn't.

On a personal note, I have mixed feelings over the Afghanistan mission, but mostly on the site that we should be there.

   

I'm just glad that the debate is only a "take-note" type of thing and not about changing the mission.


But yeah, I fully support the Afghanistan mission. And I hate it that many Canadians are starting to cringe at the casualties. About half of them are from accidents, and we have a job to do. It's the military! They know the risks, so we should support them. It's a war, not a little excursion to a warm destination.


God, if something like WWII happened now, many Canucks would break down and want to pull out of the war.


I think the debate should be interesting. We'll see what happens......

   

It's good of the elected get a chance to show each other how they can voice their opinions without it costing them an election. It will give them that warm all over feeling. Just as long as it stays with just talk. Now that our guys (and girls) are over there on the ground, we should give them all the support they need to do the thing they were sent to do. Peace-keeping!
Sometimes bullets fly. Sometimes vehicles crash. And thats just Toronto.
Untill the UN decides to pull out of Afganistan, we should continue to support our troops. Jack Layton likes to grandstand and I feel thats all the debate will be, a show.
If there is one thing our troops need most, it is a course on defensive driving in 3rd world countries.

   

This is a huge coiling steamer of hypocrisy.

Where the hell were all you concerned Canadians and investigative reporters when this thing started?
Why the hell didn't Jack Layton discuss this when he was carrying the Paul Martin around on his back? He had years to do it.
What about when Canadian "peace keepers" got shelled for weeks straight, then killed about 30 people in the Balkans
"the biggest firefight Canadian forces had been involved in since Korea." said Macleans Magazine, in September 2002, 5 years after the fight!
Even with full support from the PMO, the press ignored the story that most Canadians would definitely want to know.
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... opic&t=350
It was discussed here but I don't see any of you're concerned voices in there.

We definitely should have had a discussion when Brian Mulroney sent the troops to the Balkans and we should have had one when Paul Martin sent them to Afghanistan.
I believe that most of the call for discussion is sacrificing the well being of the troops and the mission for cheap political ends.

   

You are free to believe whatever you want.

What is the mission, by the way?

   

Didn't the Liberals tell you?

   

AKA Ridenrain doesnt know.

To tell you the truth, I am not 100% sure, but I will try

Our mission is to protect the afghani people, help rebuild there society, hunt down little terrorist fucks, and make sure shit like 9/11 doesn't happen again.

   

A debate is all well and good, would be nice to hear what's going on over there with our people. A debate before a mission is really quite silly in my opinion. Let's let everyone know, including the "enemy" what we're doing before we do it. "Yep were coming with 2500 troops and we'll be there on Friday, but forget you heard this so we can surprise you....ok?"

   

All objectives that I support. Now, how do we know when we've completed any one of those objectives?

That's the only part I want to see debated, thrashed out, whatever you wanna call it.

   

My point was that even Liberal supporters had no idea but had no problem supporting it when their party was in power.

Actually, I posted a "thank you" to PMPM and the liberals because, based on what I read, it sounded like a thorough and well thought out plan. The military suppport is only a slice of the whole plan.

The Gov has a website dedicated to this also
[web]http://www.canada-afghanistan.gc.ca/menu-en.asp#[/web]

   

Are you suggesting that Canada, without UN approval, make a sneak attack? Is it really good policy to anex Afghanistan?

I understand what you are saying but there are too many Canadians who refuse to do anything without a carved invitation from the UN. Hell, we can't even inturupt genocide. Where did that "never again" thing go?

   

Well, I'm not a Liberal supporter, I don't support any party for that matter, I prefer to look at issues and the solutions everybody comes up with... but anyway:

I supported going to Afghanistan in the first place and I still support it. It is time, however to nail down our goals and then onto an exit strategy once those well defined goals are met. Figuring this stuff out is not a change in position, it is ensuring we don't fuck the entire Afghanistan effort up by not having a plan.

The hypocracy is in your head, as in make believe.

   

If Americans had debated how best to proceed in Iraq after they seized the country, then maybe they would have the Best Plan, instead of No Plan.....

I think refusing to have a debate is the first step towards having crappy plans and failure.

   

Well first off let me say In for a penny in for the pound...we must as Canadians support our troops...they are not the ones who make the policy as to where or why they go some place.
With that said the real reason that Canada has taken over the mission in Afghanistan..is because the US is going broke(10 billion a month)because of thier big war IRAQ.
So as being the good chaps we are our soldiers are left holding the bag untill the US figures out how the fuck to deal with that situation.
I do not believe in the policy that sent our troops to Afghanistan...but now that they are thier...we must stand up as Canadains stop whining about it and support our troops 100% after all we as Canadians are not the ones ducking bullets they are.
And for right or wrong the fact that men and women of this country put there lives in jepordy for what our goverment demands of them is something to be proud off and some thing I will never beable to repay to them. And if anyone has a problem with my view on this issuse you can go fuck yourself before you even reply. thank you for your time ...fat

   

That is pretty much why we are still there, but the reason we went to Afghanistan in the first place is the USA was attacked.

We have an agreement, when one of our countries is attacked, we both respond.

This is why I supported our effort in Afghanistan from day one. Iraq is another story, I'm still trying to figure out exactly why the Bush administration went and picked a second fight there.

   

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