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What do you think of our federal political system?

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biancz18 @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:15 am

Hi everyone I'm currently doing a research and i wanna know what you guys think of our federal political system. Does it work for ALL Canadians?
is it the best way to represent ALL canadians? do you think that our senators should be elected? do you think that the way we vote our MPs should be changed? should it be by popular vote and not by district population?

How well does our political system serve ALL Canadians???

tell me what you think.

it would really help if you answer! :D

BTW, i have some more questions on this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OvOoqen2ik

please watch and comment

   



roger-roger @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:17 am

I think our provincal is fine, but the federal should be more like the American system.

   



bootlegga @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:31 am

The biggest problem is the FPTP system we currently have. There should be some move to a mixed PR system, like the proposed BC-STV system.

One reason for voter apathy is that many feel their vote doesn't matter, simply beause they reside in a riding that is dominated by a party not of their choosing.

   



hurley_108 @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:44 am

bootlegga bootlegga:
The biggest problem is the FPTP system we currently have. There should be some move to a mixed PR system, like the proposed BC-STV system.

One reason for voter apathy is that many feel their vote doesn't matter, simply beause they reside in a riding that is dominated by a party not of their choosing.



I agree we should move to PR, but I like Ed Broadbent's suggestion of electing 2/3 as now, in local SMP (FPTP) races, and letting the parties name the other 1/3 so as to make a house that reflects the popular vote. I'd go further, though, and bar the 1/3 from Cabinet as they're meant to be legislators, not members of the exectutive.

   



KyleEverett @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:54 am

My view is that Canada either needs a Proportional Representation system or remake the system into a more presidential like with executive powers divested from the legislative branches. Also, party policies need to change so you can't get expelled for voting your conscience. In the current system, you are elected by your riding to express your riding's views. Its hogwash that Canada has an elected dictator.

   



Reverend Blair @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:20 am

I think mixed proportional representation works best, biancz.

You stick with the current seats and then top up the parties so the number of seats they hold represents the portion of the popular vote they got.

   



westmanguy @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:18 am

All of you have the wrong idea. We need to adopt a preferential voting system.

Say I have 6 registered parties/candidates in my riding:

Conservatives
Liberals
NDP
Greens
Christian Heritage

Elections Canada, gives me a ballot that looks like this:

__ Conservatives
__ Liberals
__ NDP
__ Greens
__ Christian Heritage

Then I fill out that form like this:

1 Conservatives
5 Liberals
3 NDP
2 Greens
4 Christian Heritage

Note: You don't have to give preferential scoring to each party, you could just leave a '1' by Conservatives, and leave the rest blank.

Then the way the ballot works is they tally up all the votes for everyone's #1 party, then they drop the #5 party from the running, and take everyone's #2 vote who voted for Party #5 in Round 1, and keep doing this until 1 party has over 50% of the popular vote.

This is how the system needs to work in my opinion, it's the most fair, it keeps local representation, and people have 2nd, 3rd, 4th choices, and it's just way more democratic to me.

   



hurley_108 @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:46 am

westmanguy westmanguy:
All of you have the wrong idea. We need to adopt a preferential voting system.

Say I have 6 registered parties/candidates in my riding:

Conservatives
Liberals
NDP
Greens
Christian Heritage

Elections Canada, gives me a ballot that looks like this:

__ Conservatives
__ Liberals
__ NDP
__ Greens
__ Christian Heritage

Then I fill out that form like this:

1 Conservatives
5 Liberals
3 NDP
2 Greens
4 Christian Heritage

Note: You don't have to give preferential scoring to each party, you could just leave a '1' by Conservatives, and leave the rest blank.

Then the way the ballot works is they tally up all the votes for everyone's #1 party, then they drop the #5 party from the running, and take everyone's #2 vote who voted for Party #5 in Round 1, and keep doing this until 1 party has over 50% of the popular vote.

This is how the system needs to work in my opinion, it's the most fair, it keeps local representation, and people have 2nd, 3rd, 4th choices, and it's just way more democratic to me.


If that was proposed on a referendum for electoral reform I'd vote Yes. Anything short of a one-party democracy is better than SMP. I just like MMP (Mixed Member Proportional, what Blair nd I were talking about) because the ballot looks the same, and there's something to be said for not altering it too much.

   



Libralesso @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:54 am

I think our political system is idiotic, we should have run offs like they do in France. For instance in this election we would have the main five liberal, conservative, NDP, green, and bloc. Then say after the first vote the bloc gets the least votes it gets eliminated and the next vote happens and the people who voted the bloc then get to choose between those four, and it keeps eliminating parties until we get down to the final two.

   



westmanguy @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:58 am

I don't like MMP because it leads to constant minorities, and I don't like the idea of people who are chosen by the party, and can't be kicked out by the people of a local riding.

Thats why I prefer a Preferential Voting System, better than the status quo, but still democratic and accountable to the people

   



Scape @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:58 am

PR has no chance currently as it will require Quebec and Ontario giving power to the rest of the country and not getting anything back when they already have an effective veto on the process. They are holding the rest of the country hostage and until they are ordered under a democratic system to share power (which will never happen) things will not change. This is why we have the BQ and the Bloc and why Ontario controls the purse strings. The maritimes would end up losing a great deal as well however in no matter what setup they are voices in the wilderness as they simply do not have the economic or political/demographic clout to be much else.

   



Libralesso @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:36 pm

Ontario has a population of 12,160,282 in 2006 and Quebec 7,546,131 (not sure when those statistics were taking). Anyways that equals up to 19,706,413. there is only 10.5 million people left in Canada. Ontario and Quebec combined almost make double the population of the rest of the country, of course they get more say. You don't want to piss off more than half the citizens of the country, it's a fact. Ontario alone has almost half the population of Canada in it so of course its going to get preference, except if Harper gets in, and Quebec is its own nation within a nation. Also Quebec has the most seats out of all the provinces because the constitution makes sure it does. So of course the two provinces with the most seats are going to dominate. It has caused some resentment towards the two provinces, especially in the west, but the fact is those two provinces probably do contribute the most money to the country as well. Quebec gets most of it back, Ontario doesn't really. I don't care that money needs to go to eastern Canada because that's how our country is made, its a confederation. The bigger provinces helping the smaller ones. But of course Ontario is going to want to control some of the federal budget, it gives in the most. It's the economic capital of this country, all major business are based here. The most population is here, with some of the highest wages therefore they always give in more taxes.

   



Mustang1 @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:08 pm

KyleEverett KyleEverett:
My view is that Canada either needs a Proportional Representation system or remake the system into a more presidential like with executive powers divested from the legislative branches. Also, party policies need to change so you can't get expelled for voting your conscience. In the current system, you are elected by your riding to express your riding's views. Its hogwash that Canada has an elected dictator.


Proportional Representation?!? Get a grip - and while you're at it, drop the Americanphile nonsense (should we also adopt the Electoral College, two party system and fixed terms?!? Brilliant) because the Canadian system is just fine and sorry, while i fully understand an individual member's need for personal conviction, did it ever occur to you that that maybe wasn't a factor in their election? It's hogwash that anyone would suggest we have an "elected dictator" and yet suggest we have an executive with fixed terms.

   



DerbyX @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:21 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
KyleEverett KyleEverett:
My view is that Canada either needs a Proportional Representation system or remake the system into a more presidential like with executive powers divested from the legislative branches. Also, party policies need to change so you can't get expelled for voting your conscience. In the current system, you are elected by your riding to express your riding's views. Its hogwash that Canada has an elected dictator.


Proportional Representation?!? Get a grip - and while you're at it, drop the Americanphile nonsense (should we also adopt the Electoral College, two party system and fixed terms?!? Brilliant) because the Canadian system is just fine and sorry, while i fully understand an individual member's need for personal conviction, did it ever occur to you that that maybe wasn't a factor in their election? It's hogwash that anyone would suggest we have an "elected dictator" and yet suggest we have an executive with fixed terms.


Do you ever notice that people who put forth a brand new system always seem to believe their system won't have the same problems the current was does or even that it will have a whole new crop of problems?

   



Mustang1 @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:11 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
KyleEverett KyleEverett:
My view is that Canada either needs a Proportional Representation system or remake the system into a more presidential like with executive powers divested from the legislative branches. Also, party policies need to change so you can't get expelled for voting your conscience. In the current system, you are elected by your riding to express your riding's views. Its hogwash that Canada has an elected dictator.


Proportional Representation?!? Get a grip - and while you're at it, drop the Americanphile nonsense (should we also adopt the Electoral College, two party system and fixed terms?!? Brilliant) because the Canadian system is just fine and sorry, while i fully understand an individual member's need for personal conviction, did it ever occur to you that that maybe wasn't a factor in their election? It's hogwash that anyone would suggest we have an "elected dictator" and yet suggest we have an executive with fixed terms.


Do you ever notice that people who put forth a brand new system always seem to believe their system won't have the same problems the current was does or even that it will have a whole new crop of problems?


I just chalk it up to a lack of knowledge. :wink:

   



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