What if election were today.
aircanada2000 @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:58 pm
Assume an election were held today. Which party would you vote for? I put the parties in order from left to right. I would vote Conservative. I support expanding free trade to Latin America, working class tax cuts, immigration and welfare changes. We should cut welfare benefits and raise the minimum wage to get more people into the workforce. I am also from Winnipeg wants a party that represents Western Canada.
WLDB @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:30 pm
Wouldnt the green party be left of the NDP?
I would go NDP. Mainly because I agree with the parties ideology and our current MP is NDP and he does his job well. He has been our MP for many many years. The Tories dont stand a chance of winning in this riding.
exroofer @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:43 pm
Conservative. Libertarian is not an electable alternative. Also I'm thinking the Liberals need a severe spanking to straighten them out. The self-immolation of the Conservatives after Kim Campbell taught them a lesson.
The country runs best when the changes in government are relatively minor but occur at least every two elections. Thus the governing party does not have the chance to entrench themselves. The bureacracy is so loaded with Liberal appointees that anything not freindly to the Liberal party doesn't get done.
I'd like to see several Liberals go to jail over this last mess but that is not likely to happen.
Change is neccessary for growth. It is a basic principle of science. Let's have a little growth.
Patrick_Ross @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:24 pm
Here is the mix I suspect we would need to have a healthy democracy:
Conservative - 60%
Liberal - 30%
Green Party - 5%
NDP - 3%
Independent - 2%
And, yeah. Fuck the Bloq.
WLDB @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:24 pm
I agree with you exroofer on everything. Except of course your vote for the Tories.
Tman1 @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:26 pm
$1:
Change is neccessary for growth. It is a basic principle of science. Let's have a little growth.
While many people fear change and the ultimate change it brings about to everyday normal lives, I agree change is needed. I mean Ont voted for liberals for god knows how long but what about we vote for the Cons? Just a thought.
WLDB @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:27 pm
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
Here is the mix I suspect we would need to have a healthy democracy:
Conservative - 60%
Liberal - 30%
Green Party - 5%
NDP - 3%
Independent - 2%
And, yeah. Fuck the Bloq.
Conservative - 60%
Liberal - 30%
Green Party - 5%
NDP - 3%
Independent - 2%
And, yeah. Fuck the Bloq.
If any party has a majority it dosnt matter. They can pass whatever they want.
Lord-Beaverbrook @ Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:36 pm
exroofer exroofer:
Conservative. Libertarian is not an electable alternative. Also I'm thinking the Liberals need a severe spanking to straighten them out. The self-immolation of the Conservatives after Kim Campbell taught them a lesson.
The country runs best when the changes in government are relatively minor but occur at least every two elections. Thus the governing party does not have the chance to entrench themselves. The bureacracy is so loaded with Liberal appointees that anything not freindly to the Liberal party doesn't get done.
I'd like to see several Liberals go to jail over this last mess but that is not likely to happen.
Change is neccessary for growth. It is a basic principle of science. Let's have a little growth.
The country runs best when the changes in government are relatively minor but occur at least every two elections. Thus the governing party does not have the chance to entrench themselves. The bureacracy is so loaded with Liberal appointees that anything not freindly to the Liberal party doesn't get done.
I'd like to see several Liberals go to jail over this last mess but that is not likely to happen.
Change is neccessary for growth. It is a basic principle of science. Let's have a little growth.
This is what is screwed up. Maybe you were always a conservative but just because a couple of corrupt liberals create a scandal everyone assumes the whole party is corrupt and in 'revenge' votes conservative but then later complain about bad government.
Because conservatives methods suck.
exroofer @ Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:05 am
Hi Lord Beaverbrook. Just wondered, and I mean no offense but.. are you old enough to have been working when we elected Bob Rae? I even voted for him since I thought a change would be a good thing. Stupid me. I watched 100 000 jobs leave the province in a mad dash. Where once it took three phone calls to get a job, it took moving out of province.
Enter Mike Harris.(who I also voted for. Twice) Witness jobs come back to Ontario. Watch unemployment rate drop. Some harsh medicine was applied with a very broad brush. But it was very neccessary.
Now comes Mr. McGuinty.
Liking your new health care tax yet?
But Conservative methods suck , right? A basic principle of economics is that in order to have outflow of revenue you must have an equal or greater inflow of revenue. Continuing along with outflow higher than inflow will result in economic disaster every single time.
I dream of a day when our governing body has neither Conservative nor Liberal nor any other party but merely upstanding Canadians doing their best for their country and coming up with workable compromises without regard to party policy. Yes indeed, that is a dream, isn't it?
Keep switching them every two elections or so. Get just enough left wing MPs to keep the mainstream honest but do not under any circumstances give them a majority. Unless of course they are Saskatchewan NDPers, who are not really NDP at all but conservatives with a conscience. I'm all for helping my less fortunate neighbour. But when we are both collecting the same welfare cheque things get a little rough.
It has also been shown that conservatives in power for over-long periods is not such a good thing either. If we do not allow them to get too comfortable we get much better government.
*Also it is a lot more than a few Liberals. I have been following the trail of this scam since the early 90s when it first surfaced and that was looking into matters started in the last gasp of the Trudeau era. No doubt 30 nearly continous years of conservative government would result in some such similar abuse of power on their part. Complacency breeds dishonesty.
Bigboy @ Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:10 am
Conservative will win in my riding always been that way
Otis @ Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:39 am
exroofer exroofer:
Hi Lord Beaverbrook. Just wondered, and I mean no offense but.. are you old enough to have been working when we elected Bob Rae? I even voted for him since I thought a change would be a good thing. Stupid me. I watched 100 000 jobs leave the province in a mad dash. Where once it took three phone calls to get a job, it took moving out of province.
Enter Mike Harris.(who I also voted for. Twice) Witness jobs come back to Ontario. Watch unemployment rate drop. Some harsh medicine was applied with a very broad brush. But it was very neccessary.
Now comes Mr. McGuinty.
Liking your new health care tax yet?
But Conservative methods suck , right? A basic principle of economics is that in order to have outflow of revenue you must have an equal or greater inflow of revenue. Continuing along with outflow higher than inflow will result in economic disaster every single time.
I dream of a day when our governing body has neither Conservative nor Liberal nor any other party but merely upstanding Canadians doing their best for their country and coming up with workable compromises without regard to party policy. Yes indeed, that is a dream, isn't it?
Keep switching them every two elections or so. Get just enough left wing MPs to keep the mainstream honest but do not under any circumstances give them a majority. Unless of course they are Saskatchewan NDPers, who are not really NDP at all but conservatives with a conscience. I'm all for helping my less fortunate neighbour. But when we are both collecting the same welfare cheque things get a little rough.
It has also been shown that conservatives in power for over-long periods is not such a good thing either. If we do not allow them to get too comfortable we get much better government.
*Also it is a lot more than a few Liberals. I have been following the trail of this scam since the early 90s when it first surfaced and that was looking into matters started in the last gasp of the Trudeau era. No doubt 30 nearly continous years of conservative government would result in some such similar abuse of power on their part. Complacency breeds dishonesty.
Bob Rae was premier of Ontario when the economy was in a recession. Mike Harris took office when the economy was coming out of the recession.
Enter Mike Harris.(who I also voted for. Twice) Witness jobs come back to Ontario. Watch unemployment rate drop. Some harsh medicine was applied with a very broad brush. But it was very neccessary.
Now comes Mr. McGuinty.
Liking your new health care tax yet?
But Conservative methods suck , right? A basic principle of economics is that in order to have outflow of revenue you must have an equal or greater inflow of revenue. Continuing along with outflow higher than inflow will result in economic disaster every single time.
I dream of a day when our governing body has neither Conservative nor Liberal nor any other party but merely upstanding Canadians doing their best for their country and coming up with workable compromises without regard to party policy. Yes indeed, that is a dream, isn't it?
Keep switching them every two elections or so. Get just enough left wing MPs to keep the mainstream honest but do not under any circumstances give them a majority. Unless of course they are Saskatchewan NDPers, who are not really NDP at all but conservatives with a conscience. I'm all for helping my less fortunate neighbour. But when we are both collecting the same welfare cheque things get a little rough.
It has also been shown that conservatives in power for over-long periods is not such a good thing either. If we do not allow them to get too comfortable we get much better government.
*Also it is a lot more than a few Liberals. I have been following the trail of this scam since the early 90s when it first surfaced and that was looking into matters started in the last gasp of the Trudeau era. No doubt 30 nearly continous years of conservative government would result in some such similar abuse of power on their part. Complacency breeds dishonesty.
But unlike Bob Rae, Mike Harris's idea of budgeting was to sell off all of Ontario's assets to private interests.
AND HE STILL ENDED UP LEAVING ONTARIO WITH A DEFECIT.
It's going to be a cold cold day in hell before I ever vote for the Conservative party with it's present leadership and Reformer ideology.
* And I've been following adscam for years, it's only a few bad apples in Quebec that ran it. Not the entire Liberal party as your broad brush would paint it to be.
But certainly understandable why you would infer that, I wouldn't expect anything less coming from an obvious shill for the Conservatives.
Ruserious @ Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:01 am
A Liberal majority would be a very good thing for Canada.
Arctic_Menace @ Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:28 am
If an election were today, Vote for me!!!!!!! 
DevilsAdvocate @ Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:26 am
This is the funny thing about Canadian politics. If I were to judge based on internet polls, Canada would be an extreme right wing nation. Online polls are usually slanted to the right of what traditional polls come out with. Political forums are filled with conservative/Conservative backers.
But when it comes time to vote, they lose. Again and again. This poll shows the slant of the forum, which could have been told just from reading the posts here. Which isn't a reflection of the political reality of this country.
Which makes me wonder - why all the tilting at windmills? For the most part, you're preaching to yourselves, no? Or maybe that is what it is - a means of self-affirmation?
Joe_Canada @ Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:24 pm
conservative definitley. ive always found myself a little right wing. i also agree with what they stand for, and it doesnt sound like a bunch of hocus pocus the fiberals feed us.