Who should be more powerful: the PM or gov-gen?
romanP @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:14 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
You forgot the link to Wikipedia.
Wikipedia's articel on Gdel's Incompleteness Theorem is Incomplete.
Wiki
I like cheese.
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:16 pm
romanP romanP:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
You forgot the link to Wikipedia.
Wikipedia's articel on Gdel's Incompleteness Theorem is Incomplete.
Wiki
I like cheese.
!
herbie @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:04 pm
Remember the EEE Senate?
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:08 pm
herbie herbie:
Remember the EEE Senate?
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
faile @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:48 pm
Benoit Benoit:
herbie herbie:
Remember the EEE Senate?
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
We aren't a democracy. We're a constitutional monarchy. The US is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic. The founders of our great nations properly recognized that the result of democracy is a tyranny of the majority. The only reason the word 'democracy' gets tossed about so often by politicians is to make people feel as if they have more control over their lives than they really do while they simultaneously systematically remove individual freedoms.
Benoit @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:15 pm
faile faile:
Benoit Benoit:
herbie herbie:
Remember the EEE Senate?
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
And if we elect the GG and rename him/her "The Crown" we can abolish the monarchy and still have a rubber-stamping powerless travelling hand-shaker without rewriting every lawbook in the country.
Perfect!
A President who's not called a President and can't tell us what to do. A Senate that could do something and we get to elect. A PM who can still run the country but not like a dictator.
And we can still wave at the Queen when she visits and not have to make oval coins to fit Charlie's ears in when he takes over!
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
We aren't a democracy. We're a constitutional monarchy. The US is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic. The founders of our great nations properly recognized that the result of democracy is a tyranny of the majority. The only reason the word 'democracy' gets tossed about so often by politicians is to make people feel as if they have more control over their lives than they really do while they simultaneously systematically remove individual freedoms.
Here again, deliberative democracy is the solution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Facts_and_Norms
faile @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:30 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Here again, deliberative democracy is the solution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Facts_and_Norms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Facts_and_Norms
I have a better idea. Why don't we just take our politicians out for lunch and ask them nicely to stop acting in their own self interest. That should be equally effective.
Benoit @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:35 pm
faile faile:
Benoit Benoit:
Here again, deliberative democracy is the solution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Facts_and_Norms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Facts_and_Norms
I have a better idea. Why don't we just take our politicians out for lunch and ask them nicely to stop acting in their own self interest. That should be equally effective.
Remember what you wrote ten minutes ago: "The solution to being presented with a false choice in politics is to become the alternative yourself. Peaceful political revolution is possible, but it requires people not to submit to false choices."
faile @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:46 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Remember what you wrote ten minutes ago: "The solution to being presented with a false choice in politics is to become the alternative yourself. Peaceful political revolution is possible, but it requires people not to submit to false choices."
I reserve the right to switch from serious to whimsical without notice.
Benoit @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:50 pm
faile faile:
Benoit Benoit:
Remember what you wrote ten minutes ago: "The solution to being presented with a false choice in politics is to become the alternative yourself. Peaceful political revolution is possible, but it requires people not to submit to false choices."
I reserve the right to switch from serious to whimsical without notice.
Too late!
herbie @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:34 pm
$1:
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
Only in your narrow ideal. If you ELECT representatives it doesn't negate being a democracy.
Electing minority gov'ts deliver close to perfect democracy. A gov't that can't tell the people what to do.
Toss STV into my mix and it would be far better than this unwieldy 'deliberative democracy' idea.
PluggyRug @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:05 pm
Long live the Queen.
and
Oh God save my soul....if I have a soul.
Cast thy bread into the waters and thou shalt receive forth tuna sandwiches.
Next.....
Benoit @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:18 pm
herbie herbie:
$1:
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
Only in your narrow ideal. If you ELECT representatives it doesn't negate being a democracy.
Electing minority gov'ts deliver close to perfect democracy. A gov't that can't tell the people what to do.
Toss STV into my mix and it would be far better than this unwieldy 'deliberative democracy' idea.
A minority government may need only a corrupted coalition to tell the people what to do.
faile @ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:07 am
herbie herbie:
$1:
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
Only in your narrow ideal. . .
"It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning."
--George Orwell
Benoit @ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:12 am
faile faile:
herbie herbie:
$1:
Democracy is a government defined as the government of the People by the people.
Only in your narrow ideal. . .
"It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning."
--George Orwell
How can an ideal be narrow? It puts into perspective of whole reality.