Canada Kicks Ass
Zundel to be deported

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Scape @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:28 pm

frightening charade of justice and a political kidnapping by U.S. authorities

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At the public proceeding, Zundel was told literally hundreds of times, when he asked for specific evidence of the case against him, that there was “nothing in the unclassified materials”. He was repeatedly blocked from asking questions of witnesses on the basis of “national security”.

The presiding judge made repeated serious errors, forgot submissions and repeatedly misstated the appropriate legal test about what evidence should be kept secret. The same judge then evaluated the secret evidence.

Zundel complained of reasonable apprehension of bias by that judge. The same judge rejected those argument and later ordered him deported.

The Federal Court of Appeal rejected his appeal regarding bias. It appears that the Crown will not wait to see whether the Supreme Court of Canada will hear the further appeal Zundel has already filed on the bias issue. In stead, the Crown will deport him NOW.


Anybody think this is not kosher?

Followup: German police arrest Zundel

   



AdamNF @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:05 pm

Well i am for freedom of speach everywhere, even if i hate what is being said.

   



Rev_Blair @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:23 pm

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Anybody think this is not kosher?


Nothing done under a security certificate is kosher. I have no problem with Zundel being charged with hate crimes, but prove it in open court. If you can't prove it, too bad. Secret courts are a very bad idea.

   



QBC @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:55 pm

Zundel is a rotten little pile of pond scum, should be charged and tried in an open court for the world to see what an evil little toady he is.

   



Scape @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:59 pm

QBCguy QBCguy:
Zundel is a rotten little pile of pond scum, should be charged and tried in an open court for the world to see what an evil little toady he is.


Granted, then why is he not being tried in open court?

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At the public proceeding, Zundel was told literally hundreds of times, when he asked for specific evidence of the case against him, that there was “nothing in the unclassified materials”. He was repeatedly blocked from asking questions of witnesses on the basis of “national security”.


Sounds like what is good for the goose is not kosher for the gander here.

   



QBC @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:16 pm

I wish he was being tried that way. Freedom of speech is a great part of what our country is built on, but when that freedom is exploited and used to promote hatred or rascism or violence, it must be tempered.

   



Rev_Blair @ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:33 pm

Will the Germans be trying him in open court? I certainly hope so. Not only is that the way things should be done, but it would blow the whole idea of having to keep the trial in Canada secret right out of the water.

   



Scape @ Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:36 am

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Had Israel's supporters left Zundel alone, the vast majority of the world would have continued to think he was just another nut case, and yes, I am one of those who having been raised with the holocaust "religion" thought that Zundel was out of his mind.

But it is the extreme actions, clearly unconstitutional, indeed un-American, used to silence him that broke through the dogmatic blindness and raised the question of just what it was that Zundel's persecutors were so afraid of. After all, one does not see this sport of legal persecution aimed at those who claim Elvis is still alive, or that Bigfoot is eating their zinnias. One sees this sort of persecution aimed at people such as Galileo and Bruno, men who spoke the truth, and by that truth incurred the wrath of those whose power rested in lies.

More than anything else it was the behavior of Zundel's persecutors that convinced me to actually look at the available facts in the debate.

Now as Zundel's case makes global headlines, other free minds are coming to the same conclusion; that the actions taken against Zundel to keep him silent indicate vested interests are afraid of what he has to say, and people the world over who had never even entertained the idea that the official story of WW2 is not 100% accurate are (especially with the wisdom born of the US lies about Iraq's WMDs) now starting to look a bit more closely at everything they have ever been taught.

And that cannot help but be a good thing.


[url=http://www.rense.com/general63/eleter.htm]
Letters In Response To The Ernst Zundel Deportation [/url]

   



Regina @ Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:58 pm

Great!!! 8O More people seeking the truth. :roll: :roll:

   



Rev_Blair @ Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:04 pm

Even more reason to do it out in the open, Regina.

   



Mustang1 @ Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:21 pm

Regina Regina:
Great!!! 8O More people seeking the truth. :roll: :roll:



:wink:

   



Scape @ Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:21 pm

THESE lines are not addressed to those who already know Ernst Zündel - the man, his deeds and his writings - but to the Canadians who know only what the mass media, taken together, have chosen to report about him. It may be feared that those Canadians have been led to misjudge Zündel and, perhaps, hate him.

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To start, be on your guard against the repetitive, hollow and vague nature of the accusations brought against him. Do not let yourselves be taken in by the obsessive use of words like "Nazi" or "anti-Semite". These terms are used against him as easily and mechanically as stock insults. They are not born of any attempt at analysis.

   



Mustang1 @ Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:43 pm

Scape Scape:
THESE lines are not addressed to those who already know Ernst Zündel - the man, his deeds and his writings - but to the Canadians who know only what the mass media, taken together, have chosen to report about him. It may be feared that those Canadians have been led to misjudge Zündel and, perhaps, hate him.

$1:
To start, be on your guard against the repetitive, hollow and vague nature of the accusations brought against him. Do not let yourselves be taken in by the obsessive use of words like "Nazi" or "anti-Semite". These terms are used against him as easily and mechanically as stock insults. They are not born of any attempt at analysis.


That’s Robert Faurisson’s – a known Holocaust revisionist – propaganda-driven pigswill. How about a less biased source?

   



Rev_Blair @ Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:09 pm

No matter who wrote what, the fact remains that the man was deported without being able to see the evidence against him. He might be a miscreant freak, but he deserves a fair trial.

   



Mustang1 @ Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:28 pm

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
No matter who wrote what, the fact remains that the man was deported without being able to see the evidence against him. He might be a miscreant freak, but he deserves a fair trial.


Well it does matter when it’s a Holocaust revisionist’s defence of a fellow revisionist. It reeks of bias and it sullies the legitimacy of the source.

Zundel (who could have left at any time) was a crypto-fascist swine. I would’ve rather seen him have yet another day in court and have his pseudo-history ripped apart again. Irving’s already tattered reputation took a massive hit when Lipstadt beat him in court and Zundel would have received the same fate as other Holocaust deniers: disgrace. If we had publicly dismantled his gross miscarriages of history and they won’t become the forbidden fruit of social malcontents and he’ll avoid becoming a martyr.

   



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