I give up. Well, almost.

Calumny, I've often mentionned how going around old age homes scaring the elderly leading up to the 1995 referendum and I wasn't joking. There is nothing too low or too scadalous if there's a chance it will work. For a decade Quebecers have been telling Canadians Liberals are governing off napkins, corruption, making millions for friends and drunk on power. Look here, you think Canadians will finally wake up: <a href="http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/weinreb121405.htm">Stocktrends.ca has reported that there was a 3400% increase in the trading activity of Medisys Income Trust prior to the announcement made by the Finance Minister. Medisys Income Trust is owed by Paul Martin’s personal physician; a major player in the thriving Quebec private health care industry.</a>

There has got to be a good Calumny humour story at least out of this.

I understand your discomfiture with the Liberal campaign tactics Calumny , but there is no need to move so far away. Québec is very accepting towards well-intentioned immigrants ... <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[QUOTE]Calumny, I've often mentionned how going around old age homes scaring the elderly leading up to the 1995 referendum and I wasn't joking. There is nothing too low or too scadalous if there's a chance it will work. For a decade Quebecers have been telling Canadians Liberals are governing off napkins, corruption, making millions for friends and drunk on power.[/QUOTE] You may not believe me Samuel however, the original version for a sentence from my post was: [QUOTE]If this was the type of 'unity' ad that was televised in Quebec, I can see why the Quebec sovereignty movement seems to have picked up a few more adherents (yes, I know, Samuel.).[/QUOTE] I changed it because I wasn''t sure it would be taken in the humorous way I intended. This damn written communication through web forum thing can really cause a lot of misunderstandings that wouldn't occur if everyone was sitting around a table downing a few beers. The lack of clues, e.g., voice tone, facial expression, body language, passing out under the table, that help determine a speaker's meaning and intent in the beer scenario, along with the ability to forget everything that was said, are sadly lacking in the forum reality, which can really be a pain. [QUOTE]Québec is very accepting towards well-intentioned immigrants ... [/QUOTE] I appreciate the sentiiment...but there's still that damn winter thing...which as one ages seems to arrive earlier and keave later with each passing year. On the other hand, with my luck two hours after I got to NZ the Maoris would decide to boot all the white fellas out and I'd find myself adrift in the South Pacific. On yet another hand, I could land on a deserted island where I could quickly establish a DD system in the Republic of Calumnopolis and then everything would transpire exactly as I think it should. Of course, I'd still have to contend with the damn multiple personality problem. I could never be sure what group would form the majority, which could be problematicif my Conservative personalities ended up doing so and decided to tax the previously free coconuts. Oh well, no perfect world...

Well, excuse me, but the entire Conservative election platform is based on negativity and attacks. The TV airs conservative attack ads but the media concentrates on the Liberal attack ads. Remember how they dug out that sponsorship scandal the same time when that auditor whatsherface tried real hard to make the Liberals look bad? Yet, it was the Liberal government that introduced good fiscal management to federal government, it was an unknown term during Mulroney's years. It looks very much like a media conspiracy to put the neocons on power, so they can steal our money, put us in debt and dispair and destroy our country. Wake up people!

[QUOTE BY= badsector] Well, excuse me, but the entire Conservative election platform is based on negativity and attacks. The TV airs conservative attack ads but the media concentrates on the Liberal attack ads. Remember how they dug out that sponsorship scandal the same time when that auditor whatsherface tried real hard to make the Liberals look bad? Yet, it was the Liberal government that introduced good fiscal management to federal government, it was an unknown term during Mulroney's years. It looks very much like a media conspiracy to put the neocons on power, so they can steal our money, put us in debt and dispair and destroy our country. Wake up people! [/QUOTE] If Harper ran ads basically trying to 'scare' the public with such messages like: "Soldiers in Canadian cities...soldiers with gun...in Canadian cities!" My question would be: what the fuck is the message here? that "Soldiers with guns" are more a threat than the rising gun violence? If Harper ran such an ad, I'd be the first one to step up and say that Harper fucked up and he should APOLOGIZE to the military and to Martin for making such of a stupid accusation. Has Martin apologized? Fuck no.

Soldiers in cities is one of the many stupid notions enemating from Stephen Harper's Christian fundamentalist nutcase party. What on Earth would the army do to combat crime? Shell cities and conduct air rades? Infantry attack on a crack house? Car chase by main battle tanks? RPGs to stop BMWs? Any army person will tell you that the main strength of any army is concentration. Armies are not there to do policing. There have been a few countries that used the army for that purpose (e.g. Hitler's Germany) with limited success. How to combat gun crime: 1. Elliminate the weapons. Half of the guns used in crime are stolen from legitimate collectors, so a handgun ban will elliminate these weapons and cut the gangsters' firepower by half. 2. Make Canada Post criminally responsible for guns smiggled into Canada via Canada Post. Force them to check everything metallic. 3. Increase the minimum sentences for gun crimes. 4. Take steps to elliminate the leading causes of youth crime, which are poverty, hopelessness, lack of education, lack of acceptable alternatives. The above are met by both the Liberals and the NDP.

[QUOTE BY= badsector] How to combat gun crime: 1. Elliminate the weapons. Half of the guns used in crime are stolen from legitimate collectors, so a handgun ban will elliminate these weapons and cut the gangsters' firepower by half.[/QUOTE] Statistics do not agree with you. [QUOTE BY= badsector] 2. Make Canada Post criminally responsible for guns smiggled into Canada via Canada Post. Force them to check everything metallic.[/QUOTE] Huh? That makes about as much sense as making criminals out of people who own guns, just for owning them. [QUOTE BY= badsector] 3. Increase the minimum sentences for gun crimes. 4. Take steps to elliminate the leading causes of youth crime, which are poverty, hopelessness, lack of education, lack of acceptable alternatives. The above are met by both the Liberals and the NDP.[/QUOTE] Now those are a step in the right direction.

[QUOTE]Statistics do not agree with you.[/QUOTE] I thought the statistics did. 50% of weapons used in crime are stolen. Just read the other day an article in the Toronto Star, that gangs try to keep a list of gun owners, as a source of weapons. Ironically, Eastern European socialist (sorry, communist) states used to have extremely low crime rates. It's partly because guns were banned, period. [QUOTE]Huh? That makes about as much sense as making criminals out of people who own guns, just for owning them.[/QUOTE] No, you missed the point. I didn't suggest that gun owners should be jailed. I suggested that by banning hand guns the crooks will have a hard time to steal them.

[QUOTE BY= badsector] I thought the statistics did. 50% of weapons used in crime are stolen. Just read the other day an article in the Toronto Star, that gangs try to keep a list of gun owners, as a source of weapons. [/QUOTE] That's called a 'pulled it out my arse' statistic. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> I've looked, and information is not revealed on whether a gun used in a crime was stolen ir illegally smuggled into Canada. No records are kept of these's guns origins. [QUOTE BY= badsector] Ironically, Eastern European socialist (sorry, communist) states used to have extremely low crime rates. It's partly because guns were banned, period. [/QUOTE] Conversely, so does Switzerland, where military service is manditory and every home has a rifle. [QUOTE BY= badsector] No, you missed the point. I didn't suggest that gun owners should be jailed. I suggested that by banning hand guns the crooks will have a hard time to steal them.[/QUOTE] I know you didn't, but as with the Gun registry; if I don't register my gun's, it's a crime. If handguns are banned, and I don't turn mine in, I will be a criminal. I could concieveably go to jail for doing nothing at all. Since the 80's handguns have had to be stored, with a trigger lock, in a locked cabinet or gun safe. They are hard to steal. But banning people from owning them is not going to stop someone from running them across the border in the back of a pickup to supply the black market demand for them. All it's going to do is raise the street value, and let criminals know that no one has a handgun in their homes.

Criminals do get arrested (well, sometimes). Their weapons have serial numbers which can be searched. Roughly half turn out to be stolen, most of the other half smuggled. I know it hurts a gun lover like yourself, but the plain fact is that guns are prime target of thieves. Why do you need a gun anyway? A gun in the house is only good for self-defense if it's loaded all the time and kept within reach. In that case it's more likely that your 6 year old finds it and decides to play with it, then that you ever have to use it. An unloaded gun is useless. [QUOTE]Conversely, so does Switzerland, where military service is manditory and every home has a rifle.[/QUOTE] Where did you get that? I mean that every home has a rifle. I would very much like to read about it. Switzerland has a low crime rate because it's a rich country with excellent social programs. The greatest causes of crime are poverty and lack of alternatives. [QUOTE]if I don't register my gun's, it's a crime[/QUOTE] Well, is it hard to fill out a stinking application form? You have a car, don't you? Did you register it? This conservative "I am not filling out that goddamn form" attitude can drive me up the wall, because it's pointless. [QUOTE]But banning people from owning them is not going to stop someone from running them across the border in the back of a pickup to supply the black market demand for them.[/QUOTE] Really? Is it that easy? Perhaps we should tighten up border security then and investigate them pickups.

[QUOTE BY= badsector] Criminals do get arrested (well, sometimes). Their weapons have serial numbers which can be searched. Roughly half turn out to be stolen, most of the other half smuggled. I know it hurts a gun lover like yourself, but the plain fact is that guns are prime target of thieves. [/QUOTE] Fact is, all guns have had to be kept in a *safe* for years now. I'm not talking a little document save, I'm talking 1m X .5m X .5m <a href='http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443248920&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517496&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=2534374303517509&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=1408474396669582&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396669582&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1137621366829'>gun</a> safe. I mean really, do you have any idea how heavy 11 gauge carbon steel is? Do you think you could break into my house and steal it? It took 3 big men to get it into my house. Since it's bolted to the concrete foundation of my house, it'll take far more to get it out again. Since I can find no reliable statistics that 'half the guns used in crimes are stolen, half smuggled' it's heresay. Not fact. I have yet to read in a newspaper where a home was broken into, and guns were stolen. [QUOTE BY= badsector] Why do you need a gun anyway? A gun in the house is only good for self-defense if it's loaded all the time and kept within reach. In that case it's more likely that your 6 year old finds it and decides to play with it, then that you ever have to use it. An unloaded gun is useless. [/QUOTE] What kind of a question is that? ("What do you have to hide"?) Why do you need to own a car? Why do you need to own a house? And no, a gun is *NEVER* kept loaded in a house. It's kept trigger locked, in the afformentioned gun safe. If you want home protection, get a dog. And a baseball bat doesn't misfire. For the sake of argument, I take a loaded sidearm into the bush, when I hunt in grizzly country. I also target shoot. [QUOTE BY= badsector] Where did you get that? I mean that every home has a rifle. I would very much like to read about it. Switzerland has a low crime rate because it's a rich country with excellent social programs. The greatest causes of crime are poverty and lack of alternatives. [/QUOTE] I've known some people who are Swiss. But here's backup: [QUOTE BY= Swiss Consul] 2. Special Regulations for Military Firearms, Sporting and Hunting Guns Due to the long tradition and the special organization of the Swiss armed forces as a militia army, special rules are applicable for army weapons. Between their regular annual service of two or three weeks per year, Swiss soldiers and officers keep their personal weapons at home. After they have left the army, they may keep those arms in order to continue practicing at rifle or pistol ranges managed by local communities. Special rules also govern hunting or sporting rifles. [/quote] <a href='http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_emb/e/home/legaff/Fact/gunown.html'>link</a> [QUOTE BY= badsector] Well, is it hard to fill out a stinking application form? You have a car, don't you? Did you register it? This conservative "I am not filling out that goddamn form" attitude can drive me up the wall, because it's pointless. [/QUOTE] No, it's not about the registration. It's about the gun registry, and the knee jerk reaction to the killing of Montreal students. If I thought for 1 second that re-registering (yes RE- !) my firearms would do anything to prevent that from happening again, I would. But then, 4 mounties were killed last year, and I knew nothing had changed. [QUOTE BY= badsector] Really? Is it that easy? Perhaps we should tighten up border security then and investigate them pickups.[/QUOTE] Pick 6' of the 4900km border. Wait until no one is around . . . I doubt it's all that tough. 2 Billion spent on the Gun Registry to protect everyone from duck hunters and sport shooters sure could have been better spent on border patrol, don't you think?

[QUOTE BY= badsector]How to combat gun crime: 1. Elliminate the weapons. Half of the guns used in crime are stolen from legitimate collectors, so a handgun ban will elliminate these weapons and cut the gangsters' firepower by half.[/QUOTE] I love the smell of freshly 'pulled out of the ass' statistics. Want a *real* statistic? 100 percent of crimes are committed by criminals who CHOSE to resort to crime as a way of life. [QUOTE BY= badsector]2. Make Canada Post criminally responsible for guns smiggled into Canada via Canada Post. Force them to check everything metallic.[/QUOTE] 'criminally responsible'? CanPost Unions are always looking for an excuse to go on strike. This new 'law' would certifiably make them go on strike...I'm all for that, anything to get rid of another Government white-elephant. Good idea, but make up bullshit/impossible to maintain laws to alienate/abuse whatever core leftist civil servants that routinely vote Liberal/NDP. [QUOTE BY= badsector]3. Increase the minimum sentences for gun crimes.[/QUOTE] Stephen Harper was making this point *before* Dec. 26th. [QUOTE BY= badsector]4. Take steps to elliminate the leading causes of youth crime, which are poverty, hopelessness, lack of education, lack of acceptable alternatives.[/QUOTE] Is rape a crime? Or should we allow the rapist to get off easy because he may of had a life of 'social exclusion'? I mean, what if the rapist's argument is that his life was that of "poverty, hopelessness, lack of education, lack of acceptable alternatives" So yeah...he really *had no choice* and he had to burgle that home and rape/murder that family...because it was *their fault* and in the end he really had *no choice* but to throw that 9 month old baby into the microwave oven as his 'piece de resistance'. [QUOTE BY= badsector]The above are met by both the Liberals and the NDP.[/QUOTE] Only after Dec. 26th.

Dr Caleb, [QUOTE]I have yet to read in a newspaper where a home was broken into, and guns were stolen.[/QUOTE] All you have to do is do a simple search on Google. For your convenience, I did a search myself and grabbed a headline from the Edmonton Sun, dated january 8 (since you are from Alberta): <a href="http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Canada/2006/01/08/1384295-sun.html">Stolen gun used in 3 murders</a> All you have to do is read. Btw, I live in Ontario. I saw in the news this morning that there was a home invasion in my city last night and the thieves took 1 shotgun and 2 rifles from the house. Gosh man, all you have to do is read. Now, if you have trouble filling out a single page application form, you can send me the questions and I will help you answer them, because I am all about compassion. [QUOTE]Swiss soldiers and officers keep their personal weapons at home.[/QUOTE] Yes, SOLDIERS in reserve. Not civilians. Btw, have you been in Switzerland? I have... [QUOTE]It's about the gun registry, and the knee jerk reaction to the killing of Montreal students.[/QUOTE] It wasn't your daughter who got killed, so why would you care. Right? [QUOTE]2 Billion spent on the Gun Registry to protect everyone from duck hunters and sport shooters sure could have been better spent on border patrol, don't you think?[/QUOTE] Yes, for sure. The gun registry could have been done more efficiently. A million bucks would have cut it. It cost a lot more than that because Conservative special interests used the opportunity to dumb down the hunting electorate and turn them against the government. It's just plain old political opportunism.

[QUOTE BY= badsector] All you have to do is do a simple search on Google. For your convenience, I did a search myself and grabbed a headline from the Edmonton Sun, dated january 8 (since you are from Alberta):[/quote] Thanks for the link. I don't read The Sun. But I did note, that no handguns were taken in the break in. [QUOTE BY= badsector] Yes, SOLDIERS in reserve. Not civilians. Btw, have you been in Switzerland? I have... [/quote] I drove through it once. But, as my Swiss friend told me, everyone must do basic military training, so sooner or later every house is armed at some time. Question is, . . .do (criminals) feel lucky? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> [QUOTE BY= badsector] It wasn't your daughter who got killed, so why would you care. Right?[/quote] See, now that is the condecending attitude that Westerners see in Easterners. Assuming that because I'm a rednecked gun toting cowboy, that I just don't care when innocent men and women are gunned down in cold blood. Do you see how cold and biased that attitude is? Like i said before, if I thought registering my guns for the second time would save a life, I'd do it in a second. Until then, they can take their registration form, fold it till it's all sharp corners, and cram it . . . [QUOTE BY= badsector]...used the opportunity to dumb down the hunting electorate and turn them against the government. It's just plain old political opportunism.[/QUOTE] See? There's that attitude again. *KeeYuk* *KeeYuk* me and Cletius ares a goin' dawn ta the Bayou ta gets us some dinner . . . Bad laws are not to be followed, under any circumstance. When they require your identification number to be tattoed on your forehead, will you be first in line because the Government tells you so?