I was watching Canada and the new American Empire on the CBC and a Canadian who is pro american said it out of his mouth we get 60 billion from the United States for our oil.<br /> <br /> Now,armageddon were do you think all this money is going?<br /> It's going to Corporations who happen to be very tight and close with Liberal governments. Imagine if the Canadian goverment was in control of oil like Norwegian and Mexican governments are of their's. We would actually have a country that shares the wealth instead of keeping it in the hands of the filthy rich.<br /> <br /> I have no idea how to bring Quebec into the fold. It's just common sense that if Quebecers want change they have to vote for federalists parties because when they vote bloc all it does is help put the Liberals back in office. If there was no Bloc Quebecois most would vote for the NDP and regular Quebec liberal voters would move to the NDP because they are federalists. Now what do you think would happen to the liberal vote in english Canada? It would sink extremly fast. <br /> <br /> Quebecers got to realize they can easily influence the way people vote in english Canada since we have no proportional representation people are voting Liberal simply because they don't like the Conservatives. It is up to people in english Canada to wake up but really it would be nice to have help from Quebec because when I watch Radio-Canada ( my french isn't that great) people in Quebec seem to be more aware of globalization then english Canada.<br /> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] I was watching Canada and the new American Empire on the CBC and a Canadian who is pro american said it out of his mouth we get 60 billion from the United States for our oil.[/quote]<br /> And who was this Canadian? I'd like to know also where he got his sources, because he sure could have grabbed that figure out of his arse.<br /> <br /> [quote]Now,armageddon were do you think all this money is going?<br /> It's going to Corporations who happen to be very tight and close with Liberal governments. Imagine if the Canadian goverment was in control of oil like Norwegian and Mexican governments are of their's. We would actually have a country that shares the wealth instead of keeping it in the hands of the filthy rich.[/quote]<br /> But where are you finding this out? From what sources? I won't deny what you say, I know very the Liberal party is keeping and distributing funds to friends (Sponsorship Scandal anyone?), but I would just LOVE it if you could provide links, books, sources as to how you know this money goes to such and such. Unless that Pro-America Canadian knows it, to which again, I'd like to know their name.<br /> <br /> [quote]I have no idea how to bring Quebec into the fold. It's just common sense that if Quebecers want change they have to vote for federalists parties because when they vote bloc all it does is help put the Liberals back in office.[/quote]<br /> Why desire change? From what I hear, the Quebecois get a sweet deal from the current government. They get equalization payments, all sorts of other favors I'm sure, while being able to whine about separatism. My apologies to any Quebecois here, but you guys are smart buggers, lol.<br /> Also, as someone mentioned before, not ONE seat in Quebec is held by a ND. Not one. The Bloc has most of the votes, while the Liberals have all the others. I'm sure the Bloc will not die though, not with the way things are now. It's also not logical for them to have a party centered only in Quebec, but eh, not much you can do with a person choosing their party. Meanwhile, the Liberals have the other seats. Soooooooo, if the Bloc just somehow died, the Liberals would most likely pick up after them, but I doubt the Conservatives, since the Quebecois appear to be a lefty type of folk.<br /> NDP may get one or two seats, but I don't see any TRUE reason as to why they would get anymore than that.<br /> <br /> [quote]If there was no Bloc Quebecois most would vote for the NDP and regular Quebec liberal voters would move to the NDP because they are federalists. Now what do you think would happen to the liberal vote in english Canada? It would sink extremly fast.[/quote]<br /> Again, why have change? Quebecois have a sweet deal as they are now, and what makes you seriously think they'd vote ND, when everyone knows they have absolutely no seats there, and no influence? Quebecois seem to think so much about provincialism though also, that they want their own country, lol. Screw Canada for them. <br /> <br /> [quote]Quebecers got to realize they can easily influence the way people vote in english Canada since we have no proportional representation people are voting Liberal simply because they don't like the Conservatives. It is up to people in english Canada to wake up but really it would be nice to have help from Quebec because when I watch Radio-Canada ( my french isn't that great) people in Quebec seem to be more aware of globalization then english Canada.[/quote]<br /> It's unfortunate many are voting for the Liberals just for the sake of not allowing the Conservatives in power, but they appear to be the only left party that won't tax the hell out of everyone, and come out with some programs I think are pretty unecessary (taxes bug my the most, even if I'm not paying any income one, lol). <br /> As for the Quebecois knowing more about globilization, I have neither the knowledge nor the resources at hand to confirm or deny that.<br /> Can you please provide the name of that Canadian, or at least the sources for that info about the $60 billion and where it goes?<br />

   

That is a good question, perhaps emailing the production company that made the doc would be helpful. It wouldn't surprise me at all though, energy is expensive stuff. Keep in mind that 'some' of that money flows into government, that's what the Newfoundland and Nova Scotia hubbub is all about. Alberta has the most energy and it's the only province with no provincial debt-coincidence? I have an Iraqi friend who lives in Canada who was telling me that in the eighties gas there cost .05 cents a gallon-I guess they were a little smarter in that regard. <br /> <br /> I don't want to argue with somebody who may be smarter than me, however, isn't that part of the problem with Nafta, in that many companies are american, which means that money is NOT flowing into canada but stays in the states. I think to research tht one would look at the energy companies in Canada and who owns them. Out east a big energy company in oil is Irving, which is a private family and one of canada's wealthiest, which owns hundreds of companies, so we know that that 'income' certainly isn't benefitting canadians. I think a smart move is paying closer attention to Venezuela when Chavez is essentially trying to wrest that private money into the hands of the people. We may 'have' to do that someday.<br /> <br /> As far as the Quebec talk goes, there's no way to prove or disprove those comments but a few things are worth bearing in mind. Duplessis certainly wasn't NDP and that was before the bloc, the prairies certainly exhibit as much or more 'leftist' tendencies. It isn't surprising that the bloc is so powerful, what is surprising is that NO other province has bought into that ideology and created their own 'provincial-federal party' to look out for their own interests. I think the country would look quite different if it did. <br /> <br /> A final note is that part of the problem is that our government has always essentially served the needs of business, right down to your municipal council. Here in Waterloo there was an article on how one of the new councillors used to be an environmentalist who organized tree plantings, etc., but who voted with the rest of the council to develop the last piece of wilderness in the city which sits over top of our aquifier and where we get most of our water. What exactly happens to these people when they get elected, do businesses put a gun to their heads?<br /> <br /> In a country where nobody trusts the government it's exceedingly difficult to bring in any kinds of changes. You're quite right about voting behaviour, I know my wife is very intelligent, but voted liberal just because they aren't conservatives and the feeling was the NDP didn't have a chance. So that's the extent of our 'strategic voting'. None of the big three are making real substantive claims, even the NDP, while nominally increasing taxes, didn't venture into the area of distribution of wealth or public ownership of the big money makers-or even increased taxes thereof. Combine that with the benefits of free trade where we get dirt cheap goods from third world countries and essentially use slaves to harvest our produce and you have a complacent population because their main staples are cheap enough to maintain their standard of living (even though that's been decreasing since the eighties).

   

I would vote NDP is they committed to dismantling Ottawa and to moving power into the provinces.

   

Go to www.notacolony.ca and then there is a link that says Canada and the new American Empire. It's on that program that a person who supports NAFTA was saying how much Canada gets from the United States each year.<br /> <br /> Canada provides America with the most oil more than Saudia Arabia.<br /> <br /> If there was no Bloc in Quebec I hardly see people voting for Paul Martin especially after the sponsorship scandal.Most agree he is way to right wing. They would put there votes towards the NDP and that would seriously change the way people vote in english Canada.

   

[QUOTE BY= dino]If there was no Bloc in Quebec I hardly see people voting for Paul Martin especially after the sponsorship scandal.Most agree he is way to right wing. They would put there votes towards the NDP and that would seriously change the way people vote in english Canada.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Before the Bloc was formed the nationalist vote went to the PCs not the NDP. Let's get our history straight. If the BQ was never formed, we'd probably still have four parties in parliament today: the centrist Liberals, the like-minded PCs, the left-wing NDP, and the right-wing Reform/Alliance. Having a separate BQ I think does much more for the left in Canada.<br /> <br /> What I think both parties need is a coordinating body so that they can form a united front on issues concerning both parties.<br /> <br /> Instead of trying to gain seats in Quebec, the NDP should be building a bass in Ontario and BC. Especially in major metropolitan areas.

   

Why do you think the vote went to the PC's??!!!<br /> <br /> Because Brian Mulroney went down on bended knees to get the vote from the nationalists with a promise to get Quebec into the constitution and it didn't work.<br /> <br /> Meech Lake and Charlotte town accords were both failures.<br /> <br /> Then came the Bloc Quebecois due to this failure.<br /> <br /> Now lesouris if you were to ask Quebecers who voted Bloc (48%) which federalist party they would choose do you think they would pick the Liberals who have stolen money, brought in a far right budget and won't correct the fiscal imbalance between Ottawa and Quebec. Would they vote Stephen Harper who doesn't support same sex marriage, wants to change bilingulism laws and is Canada's version of George Bush or would they vote for the NDP who support same sex marriage, a clean environment,assymetrical federalism, more money to the provinces so they can deal with more social programs and they would be a government that stays away from George Bush. <br /> <br /> Quebecers would overwhelmingly support the NDP and it would completely change the way people are voting in this country.<br /> <br /> It is stupid for the NDP to focus on Ontario and BC. Many people in BC are already voting for them and Ontario always votes the way Quebecers vote. <br /> <br /> If quebecers move there vote, people in my home province of Saskatchewan who voted liberal will put there votes to the NDP. <br /> <br /> Lesouris you don't seem to get it that alot of people in english Canada think a party is only national if they get seats in both french Canada and english Canada.<br /> <br /> If the NDP wants to win the next election it's by getting Quebecers to vote NDP and with this federal budget it's not an unrealistic thing.<br /> <br />

   

Now, what is this asymmetrical federalism thing?

   

Assymetrical federalism is were Ottawa is more flexible with Quebec as in letting Quebec run there own social programs with in the province. <br /> <br /> Right now quebec is treated exactly the same as other provinces and Quebecers who are separatists and even federalist don't like that.