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mayby if you read the proof he gave then you might have known why he said what he did

your an idiot if you think anything that is supportive of Israel is propaganda

you probably think of the PNA as a fair balanced source however...

   

I certainly do not think that everything that supports Israel is propaganda.

But when someone says something like:

"Israel is used to being singled out for unjust criticism and subjected to startling double standards by the United Nations, the European Union, much of the Western media and numerous academic bodies."

I know that it is propaganda. It's not making any kind of claim......it is just spouting bullshit......

The only double-standard that Israel is treated with, is that they are allowed to do anything they want and never held accountable.....

America might be about to launch Nukes at Iran, and it is all because of Israel.

The fact that Israel has nukes, means their enemies want them too......Israel was allowed to "obtain" nukes, and no other middle-eastern country has them. That is the double-standard.....

You never say anything that is balanced or based on fact when talking about Israel. You love Israel, and I would say probably have family roots to Israel. You base your ideas about Israel on your love for it, and not on what the Israeli gov't does......

When I was your age I was like that too.....I hated England because of my Scottish heritage....

Whenever I get into a discussion with someone about Israel and land claims it always boils down to them saying, "God gave them that land. They are God's people."

It has nothing to do with right and wrong....It is about them and us. Christians feel a kinship to Israel for religious reasons, and that is why western governments support them without questioning their actions....

When Iraq Invaded Kuwait, we invaded Iraq.....When Israel invades one of it's neighbours we send them guns and ammo to help them.....

   

Well there're plenty who think anything critical of Israel is anti-Semitism

   

And anyone critical of George Bush is anti-american.....

Pretty much everything that all governments say is propaganda....The news is supposed to sift through the propaganda and give some analysis of what is really going on......sometimes it is biased. But that thing was purely one-sided and poorly written....

It was obviously written for an audience of people who are in love with Israel and hate arabs....thats why it opens the way it does...

A normal article might end with a conclusion like that. When it starts that way it is because it is trying to appeal to people who already believe it. People like you Hamiltonguy.

   

they are idiots too

however there is a certain place where it does become anti-semetic (ie. criticizing Israel for things that the majority of nations do but singling it out, saying that it should be wiped off the map etc.)

   

nope sorry i'm anti-bush but i like alot of americans

so because you love Israel you have to hate arabs?

so if I love canada I hate the states?

so If I love England then I hate Scotland, Wales, and France?


The article I posted is an OPINION piece.

an opinion piece expresses an OPINION.

It made a claim

it backed it up with evidence.

You dismiss it as propaganda.

If that is so then all your forum posts that express an opinion are propaganda.

read opinion pieces like they are forum posts for thats almost what they are.

   

if you read beyond that you might see what he is claiming...

oh umm sort of like China North Korea, Sudan etc. are all held perfectly accountable because you know how great they are compared to Israel:roll:



I posted a thread called "This is scary shit"

THAT is the reason why America dosn't want Iran to have nukes




Israel gained nukes because the defeat of Israel in a conventional war is like a nuclear holocaust for them

If they loose

Every single Jew in Israel will be murdered.

Israel has never acted offensively(mayby it has been aggressively defensive). except at Iraq who planned to use its nukes on Israel.

I fail to see how any other state faces so much if they are defeated.

Although I am agaisnt nukes and do not support Israel's nuclear program

if any country needed nukes...its Israel



Based on fact: Yes, Yes I have, I'm sorry if anything pro-Israel is not fact to you

Balanced: That depends...

If balanced means that both sides share equal blame regardless of what they did then no I have hardly ever ( i have once or twice) posted anything "balanced"

But if balanced means providing the other side to someone else's post then yes I do

Posts are opinion. Hard News stories provide balance. No post ever really does.




No, no I don't love Israel(what is love anyways?)

there are few things I "love"

My family

God

a few of my friends

Canada

and Mayby Britain

thats about it.

And as far as I know (1800 or so to sometime around the turn of the century depending on what family branch) I have not a trace of Jewish blood. The chances that I had Jewish blood that came from Israel/Palestine is even more remote.




wrong again. somehow you think that Israel's actions would make me hate it.



that contrasts with my thinking actually. I base my feelings towards Israel on logic you based yours on England on emotions

I do not thin they should have the land (Israel proper) because god gave it to them but for several reasons that I have already posted in numerous threads.

Yes they are god's people. The does not make them exempt from god's laws. It does not make them exempt from criticism either



oh as in the same religious reasons that Jews were persecuted in europe. Thats why they anglican communion and presbertarian church of the US boycott Israel

thats why the Catholic church was so supportive of the Palestinians.



actually its kinda the other way around.

Israel's neighbours attack it, and it counter attacks and wins

Iraq invaded Kuwait which had no intention of hurting Iraq.

   

hamiltonguyo you know for a 15 year old being interested in internationnal politics is a lot of fun.

Maybe it's just me but we are only young once and at your age i was trying to find a way to get inside the pant of the girl in front of me in math class! not wasting my on internet forum debating politics with gown up.

Live a little, travel when you have the chance, (Canada World youth is a great programme to learn about Canadians and the concept of Culture and identity)

You don't seem to understand that the State of Israel have declared war on the Palestinian people by expulsing them by force from there land and by treatem them like the black where in south Africa before in the 1980's.

A+

   

I'm sorry but lumping Palestinians in with the South AFrican blacks is to diminish the suffering of the Blacks.

Were the blacks ever offered their own COMPLETELY independant state

Were the Palestinians rounded up and put into "homelands"

There Palestinian refugee problem was not cause by Israel or the arabs, it was caused by the war of 1948

WEre blacks allowed to stay in white areas if they wanted and even have citizenship and vote?

The Israelis are not at war with Palestinians.

They are at war with Hamas Islamic Jihad,Fatah and other Palestinian terror groups.

   

hamiltonguyo wrote

Technicly your right but sometime the difference between official discourse and reallity can be two different thing. And yes the State of Israel are at war with the Palestinian. Simply because hostile occupation is an act of war.

   

The National Review is pro-Isreali.

But that doesn't mean that they're making this up.


Nor does this mean I agree with anything VitaminC says.

   

Later, he'll wish he hadn't spent so much time on politics, and wish he'd spent it chasing beaver.

   

depends

technically it was at war with jordan but jordan gave up all claims to the west bank leaving it in limbo.

I guess the best way to put it is

an area assigned for a future Palestinian state be transferred to Palestinian sovriegnty as time progresses.

It is not so much a hostile occupation as an occupation in lieu of a Palestinian state that is willing to perform its obligations as a state.

I do not think the Israelis want to make war on the Palestinians

they just want to not get blown up

(except for the settlers but they are a minority and many hold them in disdain)

and sorry Jaime

I'm not very popular

I havn't had many gf and I don't think I will ever no matter how much I try.

   

I'll hook you up bro.......If you're ever in Ottawa, give me a call, and I'll try to set'cha up with someone......

   

Oh, bull.

(Trying hard is probably the problem.)


Why don't you pm fatbasturd? If there's anyone here who can get a young man laid, I bet he's just the man that can do it.

   

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