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Who has a high crime rate? Canada has a very low crime rate, on par with most european nations. I live in a city of over 100,000, an hours drive from Toronto. Our latest police stats came out and the local police fired their weapons 33 times, 32 were to put down dangerous animals, the other was to deflate a tire. There is so little crime that the local paper literally has nothing to talk about.

   

[QUOTE]The fact is we have a gun registry and a high crime rate.So whhat did we get for our two billion dollars?[/QUOTE]<br /> Hey Brent, do you read what others write at all? Canada's crime rate is the fifth of the US. The only relatively high crime areas are big cities where gangs with <b>GUNS</b> run amok. It' stime to reduce the availability of guns. My worst nightmare is Harper removing all gun controls and allowing anyone to walk into Walmart and walk out with an AK47. This would greatly reduce the population of our cities, cause all assholes would immediately arm themselves and shooting up the place. Roughly 80% of the population supports gun control and registration. The remaining 20% are gun toting uneducated rednecks who are manipulated by the powerful gun lobby. I say let's have a referendum.

   

I thought the excuse for gun control was to stop the nutbars from getting them. That is ,by your own admission, a total multibillion dollar failure.It has only made guns less available to those who are honest.There was never as much of a problem when you could buy a gun at the nearest hardware store. The blood bath you fantasize about never happened when that was the case. It takes such wild fantasies to justify the gun registry. Polls that I've seen published show very little public support for the continues wasting of billions of dollars on what you describe as a failure.<br /> It is our smaller polulation and the fact that we don't take Rambo or John Wayne as anything more than a cartoon , culturally ,that gives us the lower murder rate as well as the existence of a proper social safety net , reducing desperation , that gives us a more peaceful society. Spending the billions that are blown on the gun registry on strengthening that social safety net will continue our peaceful ways . You couldn't ask for a clearer example of what a failure a big brother attitude results in than the US.<br /> Go take a little camping trip, unarmed ,about ten miles outside of Churchill for a couple of weeks,to further your education of why the right to own guns simply can't be left to the discretion of urban bureaucrats.<br /> No one is suggesting that AK 47s be readily available, just hunting rifles.It's a pretty dismally weak arguement that can only be sustained by putting words in peoples mouths so that you can have something to argue against.<br /> Brent

   

[QUOTE]I thought the excuse for gun control was to stop the nutbars from getting them. That is ,by your own admission, a total multibillion dollar failure.[/QUOTE]<br /> No it's not. Canada is culturally similar to the US yet only has a fraction of their murder rate, thanks to more stringent gun control. Yes it costs money and yes it's worth it.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]There was never as much of a problem when you could buy a gun at the nearest hardware store. The blood bath you fantasize about never happened when that was the case. [/QUOTE]<br /> I suggest you watch "Bowling for Columbine".<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Polls that I've seen published show very little public support [/QUOTE]<br /> "Polls have consistently shown that the vast majority of Canadians support firearms regulation. According to the latest poll (Gallup, 2001), 76% of Canadians support the law -- its highest level since 1995. The poll indicates that 90% of Quebecers favour a national firearms registry, the highest level of support across the country, followed by Ontario where 80% support the registry. Elsewhere, 71% of British Columbians, 67% of Atlantic Canadians, and 53% of Prairie residents support a national firearms registry. The support for gun control is particularly high in the three largest urban centres: Toronto (88%), Montreal (97%) and Vancouver (80%)."<br /> Source: <a><br /> <br /> You know what the difference is between you and me? You argue with baseless beliefs that are washed through your brain and I argue with facts.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Spending the billions that are blown on the gun registry on strengthening that social safety net will continue our peaceful ways.[/QUOTE]<br /> Of course the Harper government is dedicated to protecting our social safety net. I am willing to bet any amount of money that the removal of gun control will cause skyrocketing crime. We can organize a bet, I have no problem with that.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]No one is suggesting that AK 47s be readily available, just hunting rifles.[/QUOTE]<br /> One of the most popular weapons among street gangs is the sawed off rifle. Of course you won't mind if the lunatic troublemaker kid in the neighborhood gets into an argument with your son, then goes to Walmart to check what he can buy.<br /> <br /> Hey, ever heard of the Columbine masssacre? Bored high school kids went to Kmart, armed themselves, then shot up a school and killed a lot of kids. It's a regular occurrance in the US. Would you support that kind of activity here? You know what? I am not worried. Removal of gun control will backfire and cause an explosion of crime. It will bury your miserable minotrity conservative government and the next liberal one will hopefully prohibit firearms all together. I have no sympathy for gun toting nut cases.<br /> <br /> I will also support a movement to hold the gun lobby and gun activists responsible for the increase in gun crime. They should rot in jail.

   

Source: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Can ... port&meta=<br /> <br /> It never ceases to amaze me that you rural gun maniacs never take the effort to do a simple search in Google to check how most peaple really feel.

   

It never ceases to amaze me how totally out of touch you urban consumer maniacs are with the realities of life outside suburbia, which is more than 90% of the country, geographically.<br /> Brent

   

<img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <br /> If the public;ie the majority want gun control,so be it.That is something called democracy. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <br /> We have gun control and a police state in the making,even Hitler had the public disarmed,those who did not comply were shot. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'> <br /> The US does not have gun control and has a mad dictator in power. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'> <br /> So gun control means zip <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> The criminals always get them. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/frown.gif' alt='Frown'>

   

[QUOTE]even Hitler had the public disarmed,those who did not comply were shot.[/QUOTE]<br /> No they weren't. You throw around words you can't even understand. Get me ONE link from a reputable source about Hitler shooting people who opposed gun control in pre-WWII Germany. Go ahead, make my day...<br /> <br /> It's a nice new World, without gun control. You open your window in the morning and see a teenager shitting on your front lawn. You yell at him and hurt his feelings, so he goes to Walmart and comes back with a hunting rifle, then murders your entire family before shootign your head off.<br /> <br /> Your son gets into a fight with a troublemaker kid in school, so the kid armes himself with the intent of killing your son. What do you do?<br /> a) Arm your son when he goes to school and give him lots of bullets.<br /> b) Nothing, cause you support gun control. If your son dies, that's OK, cause civil liberty and the right to arm bears is more imnprotant than his miserable short life. Heck, it costs a fortune to ffed him anyway...<br /> c) Make sure strict gun controls are in place so the wrong people will have a hard time to get guns.<br /> <br /> I go with c and so do most Canadians.

   

[QUOTE BY= badsector]<br /> c) Make sure strict gun controls are in place so the wrong people will have a hard time to get guns.<br /> <br /> I go with c and so do most Canadians.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> And the black marketeers love you for it.<br />

   

Anything that makes getting guns harder makes society safer. There will always be smuggled guns but getting them is hard and risky so it cuts down the number of gun toting maniacs.<br /> <br /> Besides... I don't remember the Liberals or NDP stating even once that rural people who need guns shouldn't have them. All they are asking you to do is to fill out a simple application form.<br /> <br /> When you buy a car do you register it? Hey, how about doing away with car regsitration? Down with all licence plates! I refuse to put a licence plate on my vehicle because it infringes on my civil rights! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

   

Didn't you already try that rhetoric in another thread? You know, the one where Brent Swain shut you down totally?<br />

   

I guess stats mean nothing to you. The fact remains that no gun control = lunacy. Most Canadians know it and support gun control and registration. If your one time redneck government does away with gun control to boost the earnings of their gun maker golf buddies, the results wil be disastrous and help bury this cowboy party for another 12 years. I go with the majority and support gun control. I don't really care what gun crazy lunatics think. They are a slim minority.

   

[QUOTE BY= badsector] I guess stats mean nothing to you. The fact remains that no gun control = lunacy.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Ahhh! Who is ignoring them? When <a href='http://www.vivelecanada.ca/comment.php?mode=view&cid=48759'>Ed</a> posts sats that show exactally the opposite of what you seek, when guns are taken away, you are the one who ignores them. When Wasjod on the previous page of this thread, shows per capita crime stats also show exactally the opposite of what you seek, you ignore them.<br /> <br /> Gun confiscation = Chaos. Britian and Austrailia have proven that.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= badsector]<br /> Most Canadians know it and support gun control and registration. If your one time redneck government does away with gun control to boost the earnings of their gun maker golf buddies, the results wil be disastrous and help bury this cowboy party for another 12 years. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Most Canadians have no idea of the reality. More people are killed by the flu than with handguns in Canada, but you don't hear calls for manditory vaccinations. If the CPC ever passes a bill that forces you to buy a gun, then they don't deserve back in office. After all, no one is forcing you to buy one, right?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= badsector]I go with the majority and support gun control. I don't really care what gun crazy lunatics think. They are a slim minority.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Ad Hominem. The homicidal criminals are the slim minority; the people who see we could have better spent $2 billion are not.<br />

   

Right, fill out a simple application form, available to Hells Angels hackers and any other gun thieves, giving them your home address and a list what guns they can expect to find there, making yourself and your family a target for gun thieves as well as drastically increaseing the price tag on those guns. Fill out a form giving police the right to invade your home anytime without a warrant anytime any one with a grudge against you makes up a story for them, and giving them the right to help themselves to any of your personal belongings and records, and keep them indefinitely without real justfication. Giving police the right to throw you in jail for two years by simply accusing you of not answering all their questions,including very personal ones about your personal relationships, whether motivated by your politics, race , colour or whatever.<br /> Support the squandering of billions of dollars while homeless Canadians freeze to death in the streets of our cities or women are turned away from shelters and beaten to death, all for want of far less money, while Canadians die in hospital waiting lines for want of less money.Allow power triping bureaucrats to arbritarily deny rural prople the ability to feed themselves off the land , protect their families and livestock,or travel freely and safely thru remote areas , and thus exercise their charter rights, which supposedly overide all otherlaws including the gun registry.<br /> Boy some people are slow learners. I suggest you re read this as many times as it takes for it to sink in.That clearly could take a while.<br /> Brent<br /> Brent

   

[QUOTE]badsector - When you buy a car do you register it? Hey, how about doing away with car regsitration? Down with all licence plates! I refuse to put a licence plate on my vehicle because it infringes on my civil rights![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Yes Badsector, Yes! You are starting to echo Libertarian principles without even knowing it. Down with licence plates, yes! Dispute resolution organizations can take care of insurance claims. While you are at it lets get rid of the marriage licence as well, after all, why do I need the governments permission to marry? What's next? I know, the Canadian Underwriters for No Tossing off or C.U.N.T for short. If you want to toss off you need to take a written and oral exam. You then need to pass an efficiency test. You will graduate through a series of licences cumulating with the awarding of your licence to practice solitary homebased initiation of tossing off or S.H.I.T for short. You will need to get a licence plate, sorry, tattoo with your own unique ID. Before tossing off is to commence you must register your equipment with the province and buy breakerage insurance, those males under the age of 25 will of course pay much more than older males or females, afterall we all know what young men are like. You will be subject to random inspections and may be asked to display proof of tattoo and insurance if an officer of the peace requests so. Failure to toss off with a licence will force C.U.N.T to confiscate your equipment and possibly auction it off. Tossing off while drunk will result in suspension of your S.H.I.T., possible jail time may result as well. You may also be required to do community service and work with mothers against drunk tossing off or M.A.D.T for short.<br /> <br /> I do believe that cocaine is banned from Canada and is illegal, why then can I walk 5 blocks north of my house and buy some? I thought we had laws, rules and regulations? When I was 16 and in high school I was able to drink alcohol every weekend, but wait, I was not old enough to legally drink, but some how, even with all the licencing, all the rules, all the regulations, all the preaching and praying, I still was able to get pissed, what is up with that?<br /> <br /> I bet you want the Alberta Liqour Control Board to come back, right? Make the bar owners take a sample of their carpets in to the civil service prick to get it approved. Sieg Heil mein Furher! <br /> <br /> On the gun and drug issue, maybe you need to get serious and check out Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.<br /> <br /> http://www.leap.cc/

   

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