Canada Kicks Ass
Preston Manning & Stephen Harper -- An Overview 4 Discus

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Patrick_Ross @ Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:39 am

I just finished reading Stephen Harper and the Future of Canada by William Johnson, and earlier this month read Think Big by Preston Manning (for the record, I have also read The New Canada, also by Manning).

I was intrigued by the differing portrayals of the tensions between Harper and Manning.

In Think Big, Manning portrays Harper as a big ego, who couldn't be trusted to be a team player if he wasn't, essentially "getting his own way". In his defense, Manning offers his criticism in what he insists is intended to be a constructive manner.

Meanwhile, Johnson's book portrays Manning as a political neophyte, whose disdain for the traditional operations of the political process combined with pure naivete to limit his effectiveness as a leader.

Johnson essentially portrays Harper as seeking to build a Blue Tory movement within the Reform Party. It's clear that Harper did not share Manning's enthusiasm for pure populist politics. Johnson also tries to accredit the leadership of the Reform party more to Harper than Manning, all while noting a number of details that Manning omitted from his book -- namely, that Harper was also pursuing his master's degree in economics while being involved with the Reform party and, later, the Canada West Foundation.

Before I continue any deeper, does anyone have any thoughts?

   



TheGup @ Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:30 am

I just read Paul Wells new book, Right Side Up: The Fall of Paul Martin and the Rise of Stephen Harper's New Conservatism, and I am currently reading Full Circle: A Conservative Revolution, and it truly illustrates what an idiot Preston Manning truly was.

Before creating the Reform Party, Manning made no attempt whatsoever to influence the Brian Mulroney government. He never wanted to work with the Progressive Conservatives - his goal was to establish a party very similar to the Social Credit Party, but more grassroots. He wanted to create a western populist party.

The ironic thing about that, however, is that the Reform Party did not even choose it's own policies. Preston Manning wrote them on the back of a napkin right before the convention. This obvously goes against the principles of populism, and it really effectively shows how Preston Manning was out for no one but himself.

The most ironic thing about Reform is that it was possibly the most top-down party in its era. Manning had control over everything. He never truly was a populist - he just liked to pretend he was. Take for example how he turned down a limousine when Reform came into being in 1993, but then once he won the Leader of the Official Opposition, he turned around and accepted not only the keys to Stornoway on the taxpayers dime, but also took a limousine with it. He had a $31,000 clothing expense on the Reform Party's dime. Clearly, the man wanted nothing but the infamy of being the leader of a populist party, and he got it.

Preston Manning singehandedly destroyed the Conservative movement for a decade, and he might have destroyed it for longer than that. The man deserves no respect, no admiration, nothing. All he deserves is to be shunned from the Conservative Party of Canada.

   



Patrick_Ross @ Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:52 pm

On the contrary: Preson Manning rebuilt the Conservative movement. It is only through the merger of one of Manning's creations: the Canadian Alliance (formed by combining his other creation, the Reform Party, with provincial Progressive Conservatives) with the federal Progressive Conservatives that it is even possible for those alientated by Brian Mulroney to support the Conservative party again.

TheGup TheGup:
Before creating the Reform Party, Manning made no attempt whatsoever to influence the Brian Mulroney government. He never wanted to work with the Progressive Conservatives - his goal was to establish a party very similar to the Social Credit Party, but more grassroots. He wanted to create a western populist party.


Manning hadn't made a solid attempt to influence the Mulroney PCs, but he had actually, on behalf of his father Ernest Manning, approached the PCs, then under Robert Stanfield, with a proposal to merge the PCs with the federal Social Credit party. Preson Manning and Joe Clark came up with a proposal, which was rejected. They met at the Manning farm shortly after, and burned every page of documentation relevant to their proposal.

TheGup TheGup:
The ironic thing about that, however, is that the Reform Party did not even choose it's own policies. Preston Manning wrote them on the back of a napkin right before the convention. This obvously goes against the principles of populism, and it really effectively shows how Preston Manning was out for no one but himself.


That simply isn't true. The Reform party's policies were formulated by none other than Stephen Harper himself. I don't know where you read this little work of fiction.

TheGup TheGup:
The most ironic thing about Reform is that it was possibly the most top-down party in its era. Manning had control over everything. He never truly was a populist - he just liked to pretend he was. Take for example how he turned down a limousine when Reform came into being in 1993, but then once he won the Leader of the Official Opposition, he turned around and accepted not only the keys to Stornoway on the taxpayers dime, but also took a limousine with it. He had a $31,000 clothing expense on the Reform Party's dime. Clearly, the man wanted nothing but the infamy of being the leader of a populist party, and he got it.

Preston Manning singehandedly destroyed the Conservative movement for a decade, and he might have destroyed it for longer than that. The man deserves no respect, no admiration, nothing. All he deserves is to be shunned from the Conservative Party of Canada.


No Reform party policy was ever undertaken without ratification by the entire party membership. Somehow, the theory that the membership merely ratified whatever Manning supported inevitably falls flat because the party membership was given the power to reject it, and instead supported it.

Preson Manning didn't destroy conservatism in Canada. He rebuilt it. Brian Mulroney destroyed conservatism in Canada, and Stockwell Day came awfully close to doing it a second time.

   



Patrick_Ross @ Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:38 pm

TheGup TheGup:
Take for example how he turned down a limousine when Reform came into being in 1993, but then once he won the Leader of the Official Opposition, he turned around and accepted not only the keys to Stornoway on the taxpayers dime, but also took a limousine with it.


I should also note that the budget for the leader of the opposition is actually applied to the budget for operating Stornoway. When Manning became the leader of opposition, he actually resisted the idea of moving into Stornoway House, but discovered that the budget for hosting and entertaining any guests the LoO may need to accept (including, in some instances, foreign dignitaries) is attached to Stornoway.

In order to fulfill his responsibilities in this regard, Manning was actually forced to move into Stornoway.

   



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