Aboriginal women do better by degrees
Newsbot @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:42 am
Title: Aboriginal women do better by degrees
Category: lifestyle
Posted By: CommanderSock
Date: 2010-04-08 08:08:34
Canadian
andyt @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:42 am
I guggest we start a Royal COmmission to investigate what is obviously discrimination. I mean if the races were reversed, there would be an outcry.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:00 am
This is kind of a glib title. For example, take somebody with a degree that works for the Federal government, and somebody with the same degree working for the provincial government, there is going to be a difference in pay, even if they do essentially the same job.
PostFactum @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:01 am
fifeboy @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:35 am
Newsbot Newsbot:
Title: Aboriginal women do better by degrees
Category: lifestyle
Posted By: CommanderSock
Date: 2010-04-08 08:08:34
Canadian
Category: lifestyle
Posted By: CommanderSock
Date: 2010-04-08 08:08:34
Canadian
GOOD
Lemmy @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:41 am
Nice to hear. Now let's hope some of these aboriginal lawyers will have honour enough to repay the government for their education now that they're earning 6-figure salaries.
Brenda @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:45 am
$1:
Ms. Lickers also credits generous scholarship and support programs from her band and the National Aboriginal Achievement Foundation with helping her navigate her way through university successfully.
“My education was fully funded. I received a living allowance every month. I received a book allowance every semester and my tuition was paid, both through undergrad and law school. It wouldn’t have been possible for me to be here without that,” she said.
“My education was fully funded. I received a living allowance every month. I received a book allowance every semester and my tuition was paid, both through undergrad and law school. It wouldn’t have been possible for me to be here without that,” she said.
wow...
andyt @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:55 am
It's great that aboriginals are getting educated and advancing in society. But I don't agree with the discrimination. Financial help should be available for all deserving students who need it, not based on race. And again, if the story was that aboriginal women were getting paid less than 2nd nations women with the same education, there would be a huge outcry about the systemic racism in society, and how much money we'll have to spend to address it. But the reverse is just fine with everybody.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:03 am
Again, you missed the point though. Pay disparity can be explained for many reasons without race or gender. The lower level government employees are a perfect example of that. Then let's not forget that not everybody that has a degree, works in the same field they got their degree in.
Example, back in the 90's the Chrysler mini-van plant in Windsor decided to go to 24/7 production. They hired a fair number of university graduates to work in assembly. Now, I'm pretty sure there are NO university degrees for assembling things. These graduates were certainly NOT making the money they could have with their degrees.
andyt @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:13 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Again, you missed the point though. Pay disparity can be explained for many reasons without race or gender. The lower level government employees are a perfect example of that. Then let's not forget that not everybody that has a degree, works in the same field they got their degree in.
Example, back in the 90's the Chrysler mini-van plant in Windsor decided to go to 24/7 production. They hired a fair number of university graduates to work in assembly. Now, I'm pretty sure there are NO university degrees for assembling things. These graduates were certainly NOT making the money they could have with their degrees.
Example, back in the 90's the Chrysler mini-van plant in Windsor decided to go to 24/7 production. They hired a fair number of university graduates to work in assembly. Now, I'm pretty sure there are NO university degrees for assembling things. These graduates were certainly NOT making the money they could have with their degrees.
In theory at least, comparably educated women should be similarly distributed in the workforce and so earn the same money. As I say, if the races were reversed in this story, you know you would hear no end about the racist white man keeping aboriginals down. Same with the fact men earn more than women is always attributed to gender bias - yet many other factors play out as well. Men work longer hours and still do the more arduous jobs. In fact university educate women out earn university educated men if they both work full time. But all you hear about is the gender discrimination.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:43 pm
andyt andyt:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Again, you missed the point though. Pay disparity can be explained for many reasons without race or gender. The lower level government employees are a perfect example of that. Then let's not forget that not everybody that has a degree, works in the same field they got their degree in.
Example, back in the 90's the Chrysler mini-van plant in Windsor decided to go to 24/7 production. They hired a fair number of university graduates to work in assembly. Now, I'm pretty sure there are NO university degrees for assembling things. These graduates were certainly NOT making the money they could have with their degrees.
Example, back in the 90's the Chrysler mini-van plant in Windsor decided to go to 24/7 production. They hired a fair number of university graduates to work in assembly. Now, I'm pretty sure there are NO university degrees for assembling things. These graduates were certainly NOT making the money they could have with their degrees.
In theory at least, comparably educated women should be similarly distributed in the workforce and so earn the same money. As I say, if the races were reversed in this story, you know you would hear no end about the racist white man keeping aboriginals down. Same with the fact men earn more than women is always attributed to gender bias - yet many other factors play out as well. Men work longer hours and still do the more arduous jobs. In fact university educate women out earn university educated men if they both work full time. But all you hear about is the gender discrimination.
That's what I've been driving at. Pay disparity exists for many other reasons than gender or race.
We had a somewhat similar discussion about this way back in high school. The class teacher was an ardent feminist. When she brought up equal pay for work of equal value, I challenged her with this scenario:
Two welders are working on a new highrise that is still nothing but a steel skeleton. One welder is working on the 20th floor while the other welder is working on the 2nd floor. Should they both be paid the same?
They have the same credentials, they're doing identical jobs but they sure shouldn't be paid the same.
Freakinoldguy @ Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:09 pm
$1:
“To get to the level of a university degree, you have to be an overachiever and so you see … that people in oppressed societies who actually succeed are really the crème de la crème,” Mr. Wilson said. “They’re exceptional. So what you may be seeing is the effect of exception.”
What a load of politically correct crap. How many other underpriviledged non natives have been overlooked as "the creme de la creme" because they couldn't aquire the free education, that included tuition, room and board and spending money?
While it's nice to see someone succeed, it isn't right to paint them as better than their peers, especially when they have had a complete free ride to the top.
No matter how you spin it , this is blatent reverse racism and sexism in it's finest form.
whiskeyjack @ Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:49 am
$1:
My education was fully funded. I received a living allowance every month. I received a book allowance every semester and my tuition was paid, both through undergrad and law school. It wouldn’t have been possible for me to be here without that,” she said.
THAT WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE IF I GOT THE SAME
She is not the first person i have heard who gets this privilage either. If i had such a privilage or oppourtunities now, would i take them?HMMMMMMM, most of these types of people who receive alot more than they work for things end up being stunned people anyways.....
Bodah @ Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:10 am
When I was going to school I tried to get some welfare until my loans kicked in, I was denied even that. Meanwhile my single mom classmate, got the government to pay her rent, food, took care of her kid and paid for her education.
All I wanted was a little money for kraft dinner.
I guess us males are just more resilient than women, that's not me talking. That's the government.
andyt @ Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:06 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
$1:
“To get to the level of a university degree, you have to be an overachiever and so you see … that people in oppressed societies who actually succeed are really the crème de la crème,” Mr. Wilson said. “They’re exceptional. So what you may be seeing is the effect of exception.”
What a load of politically correct crap. How many other underpriviledged non natives have been overlooked as "the creme de la creme" because they couldn't aquire the free education, that included tuition, room and board and spending money?
While it's nice to see someone succeed, it isn't right to paint them as better than their peers, especially when they have had a complete free ride to the top.
No matter how you spin it , this is blatent reverse racism and sexism in it's finest form.
If people who get uni degrees are overachievers, we sure have a lot of them in Canada. Many work at Starbucks.
Yep, it's gotta be rough to come from an oppressed society where all your expenses are paid for you to go to school. The horror. 2nd nations have it so easy, having to take out student loans and all.
Likely the reason the aboriginals earn more than 2nd nations people, is because of hiring quotas, and getting well paid, bullshit government jobs that involve petitioning the government to give natives mo money. Some time back there was a huge outcry, because uni educated immigrants didn't earn as much as Canadians. This was of course deemed due to the endemic racism in our society, not that people born here would have more relevant Canadian experience and contacts.