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A question. Why did you choose to tarnish an entire religion when you called the attackers "Dogan IRA pricks" instead of the "Continuity IRA or Real IRA both of whom are illegal organizations who refused to sign the peace treaty when their parental organizations the IRA and the Provisional IRA did?

Those two groups are terrorist organizations who have been black listed by all the signatories of the peace treaty and by their activities have long since given up any moral claims to the groups they originally belonged to.

But before your bias keeps you from seeing the truth about these non compliant terrorist organizations allow me to point out that the sectarian violence isn't just happening on the Catholic side like you're making it sound like.



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I've stated earlier.... UVA, UDA, UVF, UFF, IRA, PIRA, CIRA, RRIA are all equally cowardly.

Maybe dogan was an inappropriate choice of words. I apologize, that was off the cuff and I should have been more discerning in my choice of words.

However, these cowards who wish to use bombs to continue their reign of terror are no better than those other band of losers, ISIS. And really, if it wouldn't restart the Troubles, I'd say put them down like the rabid animals they are.

   

Let’s hope all that madness is in the past now.

The decline of the Orange Order has a sad side too, symptomatic of a general withdrawal from the public square to our smartphones. If they could just have emphasized the happy stuff more...

   

True Martin M was a terrrorist thug asshole, but if Queen Elizabeth who was advised by both the Irish Garda and MI 6 that he was the one who ordered the murder of her beloved uncle Lord Mountbatten can sit down with him at a state dinner and help make peace so can we .

   

Fair enough but you're wrong about putting these animals down. Given these organizations proclivity for attacking and murdering their own populations based on the warped belief that anyone who doesn't believe in their cause is a traitor, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be alot of tears shed if they were to suddenly disappear.

Most of Northern Ireland has moved on from the troubles but these assholes are like the KKK in the southern states after the Civil War. They continue to have a warped sense of reality and will do anything it takes to keep their hate filled ideology alive and festering despite the fact that nobody else is following.

Given the quality of the bombs that were sent I can't help but think that they may not have been sent by any of the non compliant terrorist organizations but by someone who's not to happy with Brexit especially since. "The claim was allegedly made on behalf of the 'IRA".

Never in all the years of the Troubles do I remember the Provo's or the IRA ever having someone else make a claim on their "behalf". Of all the horrible things they and the protestants para's did they all at least had the balls claim credit for their own actions.

   

I'm afraid NI is moving on rather slowly. The two main political parties, the DUP and SF, enjoy virtually no support from the 'other side'. 40 years ago, they were the extreme options in the political spectrum; now they have swallowed up the competition and every issue is viewed through their tribal lenses. Young people are letting go of the old enmities in their personal lives but politics remains oddly fossilized, quite different from both the rest of the UK and the Republic of Ireland where the usual economic issues dominate and people shop around for the best option.

   

The thing in Northern Ireland is the fact that one crowd of people yearns to be part of the Republic and the other part longs for a time when they could lord it over the Catholics and intimidate and provoke them with mindless parades.

They've got a generation or two ahead of them before all that crap goes to the wayside.

   

Won't be the first time the succeeding generations are better off when the troublemakers and rotten politics die off with their elders.

   

A few generations ago, you could hazard a guess at somebody's religion even before they spoke. Nowadays, everyone is watching the Kardashians and going to Man United games. A shared culture is forming, albeit not a particularly Irish one.

   

Or to go with the BBC who refer to that city as "Derry", "Londonderry" and "L'Derry" all in the same segment. As for McGuinness, he was an unrepentant terrorist at the time of his death, therefore undeserving of any honours associated with peace. He along with Gerry Adams order the killing of innocent civilians alongside of British troops or Ulster constabulary. The royalist side were no better with even Ian Paisley calling for violence even in sermons. I grew up in England during the height of the Troubles, hardly not a day went by when there wasn't some form of violence in NI or England on the news. And yes, funded, in large part by Americans.

   

We Americans do not have a dog in this fight. This is all on Northern Ireland to work out on its own. The fact of the matter is that it was a major dick move for the mayor of San Fran to present a murdering terrorist from another country an award of any kind. All this did was stir up shit and throw shade our way. We take a lot of heat for sticking our noses where it does not belong, rightfully so in this case.

We did not like it when Cuba awarded Puerto Rican terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera the "Order of Solidarity". How is this any different? We need to stay out of other peoples business when it does not concern us. Stop pissing people off for no good reason. Nothing good came out of this award. Its all bad.

   

He may have been the proverbial asshole at one point in his life but had he not been one of the architects of the peace process I seriously doubt it would have happened.

Enough world leaders and even some former opponents thought enough of his work at ensuring peace that they actually honoured him when he passed.




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But, does McGuinness deserve a military medal for his actions during the Troubles and after. The answer is unequivocally no. He was a non combatant and like Ian Paisley neither should have been given any accolades for what they did during the troubles.

Now what they did to broker a peace is a whole different story.

   

That's what set the firestorm off, giving him an award for military "service". All he ever did as an active IRA member, assuming he ever handled the weapons himself, was press the ignition switches on remote control detonators or shoot unarmed people in the back. If they'd restricted it to a peace award then odds are the controversy wouldn't have been as intense. Giving him something though that belongs to real uniformed soldiers and not to anonymous killers that aimed at helpless civilian targets far more than they ever did against opponents that could fight back on the same level? That's where the real insult to his victims happened.

That idiot SF mayor is at the heart of it. There's only two conclusions with her. One, she's a tone-deaf and fact-ignorant moron that got talked into this by some activist types and she was just plain gullible enough not to see what the big deal is. Or, two (and much worse) she's a genuinely hardcore leftist who gave McGuinness a military award on purpose in order to legitimize the IRA terrorists as legal combatants. If the latter is the case then expect her to do much worse as time goes by and, yes Bart, she could just as easily pick some Islamists next who've killed Americans and Israelis as the next recipient of her city's honours. It's San Francisco, for fucks sake, so getting ready for them to do the most ridiculous and deliberately enraging thing they can would be the wise thing.

   

If Northern Ireland wants to give this guy an award, that is on them. No one in the U.S. has any business getting involved in this horseshit whatsoever. It is not our concern. This would be like Great Britain today giving Benedict Arnold a posthumous military award for his actions during the American Revolution. That would go over like a lead balloon in the states. Stay out of other peoples internal business.

   

Read the article again. It was the City of San Francisco, California, USA that gave the honour to McGuinness, not anyone in Northern Ireland.

   

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