Apple to fight order to help FBI
BRAH @ Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:11 pm
Apple to fight order to help FBI unlock iPhone used by California shooter
http://www.thestar.com/business/2016/02/17/apple-to-fight-order-to-help-fbi-unlock-iphone-used-by-california-shooter.html
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This is one fight Apple shouldn't be fighting.
Public_Domain @ Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:27 pm
DrCaleb @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:17 am
BRAH BRAH:
This is one fight Apple shouldn't be fighting.
Quite the opposite. Apple should fight this order tooth and nail.
If Apple is forced to unlock this phone (assuming it's possible) then they can be forced to do so for any phone by any government on Earth. Then they become complicit in the constitutional violation of people's privacy that is the surveillance state.
andyt @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:34 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BRAH BRAH:
This is one fight Apple shouldn't be fighting.
Quite the opposite. Apple should fight this order tooth and nail.
If Apple is forced to unlock this phone (assuming it's possible) then they can be forced to do so for any phone by any government on Earth. Then they become complicit in the constitutional violation of people's privacy that is the surveillance state.
How is this different than getting a search warrant for your home?
Lemmy @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:44 am
It's different because it's not so much a search as surveillance. A search of your home doesn't reveal the conversations you've had there. Your words (and others') don't stick to the walls.
andyt @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:56 am
I didn't know cell phones recorded your conversations.
I think what they are after are contacts. You know, like people used to write in little black books - you could get a warrant for those.
DrCaleb @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:58 am
andyt andyt:
How is this different than getting a search warrant for your home?
Lemmy Lemmy:
It's different because it's not so much a search as surveillance. A search of your home doesn't reveal the conversations you've had there. Your words (and others') don't stick to the walls.
Exactly. And to search the home is relatively easy. When an electronic communication is encrypted, it's specifically designed to never be decrypted unless its by authorized parties. Having Apple (or anyone else) put a 'backdoor' in the encryption so it can decrypt messages also allows anyone else to use that backdoor and decrypt them. Like Russia, or China or Anonymous.
Well encrypted data would take longer than the age of the universe to decrypt. The NSA is under a great deal of scrutiny because it championed poor encryption methods in order to spy on everyone, and large numbers of network equipment are being found to have easily accessible backdoors in them, that many suspect were put there by the same NSA.
DrCaleb @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:01 am
andyt andyt:
I didn't know cell phones recorded your conversations.
Google "Stingray".
andyt andyt:
I think what they are after are contacts. You know, like people used to write in little black books - you could get a warrant for those.
Can you get a warrant without proof that there are contacts in the phone complicit in a crime? I'd like to see a judge who would sign it. Besides, the book is locked with an unbreakable lock. A warrant changes nothing.
DrCaleb @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:09 am
$1:
A Message to Our Customers
The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.
The Need for Encryption
Smartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going.
All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data.
Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us.
For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business.
The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.
The Need for Encryption
Smartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going.
All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data.
Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us.
For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business.
http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
martin14 @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:19 am
andyt andyt:
I didn't know cell phones recorded your conversations.
No, but the carriers do.
$1:
I think what they are after are contacts..
They already know who that phone was in contact with, the provider
keeps a list.
They are looking for files, pdfs, or other stuff downloaded,
and maybe web activity as well.
I understand Apple wants to 'protect the encryption', so that
only they can use it, but in this particular case, they are wrong.
It's a work phone, property of the employer.
Having said that, one federal judge shouldn't be enough.
3 judges, and a trip to the Apellate court, would provide a lot of protection.
DrCaleb @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:25 am
martin14 martin14:
I understand Apple wants to 'protect the encryption', so that
only they can use it, but in this particular case, they are wrong.
It's a work phone, property of the employer.
only they can use it, but in this particular case, they are wrong.
It's a work phone, property of the employer.
This is incorrect. Properly implemented encryption means that even Apple has no access. In IOS 8 and earlier, Apple did have access. In the newest updates, even Apple is locked out.
And the employer only has access to the information on their own side, not directly on the phone.
martin14 @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:36 am
So they say.
Me, I doubt they are 'really' locked out.
DrCaleb @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:42 am
martin14 martin14:
So they say.
Me, I doubt they are 'really' locked out.
Me, I doubt they are 'really' locked out.
Part of my engineering degree was studying encryption and the maths involved. Most of my job now entails maintaining data security.
Believe me, they are locked out if the encryption is done properly. And that's part of the problem with the government order - how could they comply is it's impossible to comply?
BRAH @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:47 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BRAH BRAH:
This is one fight Apple shouldn't be fighting.
Quite the opposite. Apple should fight this order tooth and nail.
If Apple is forced to unlock this phone (assuming it's possible) then they can be forced to do so for any phone by any government on Earth. Then they become complicit in the constitutional violation of people's privacy that is the surveillance state.
Considering the phone belonged to a Terrorist this one time Apple and Tim Cook need to get off their high horse and do the right thing. What if the information in the phone can lead to another cell preventing another attack? Are you willing to take that chance?
Political correctness and privacy concerns bull sh*t is what lead to 9/11 when former Clinton Administration Assistant AG Jamie Gorelick placed a wall preventing U.S. Intelligence Agencies sharing information.
BartSimpson @ Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:11 am
andyt andyt:
How is this different than getting a search warrant for your home?
That's actually a very good example.
Let's say you've invented a security system that makes every home using it immune to all attempts to break in. Then the government gets a search warrant for the house.
Why do you have any obligation to help them break into that house?
Further, the fucking bastards want a master key so they can get into any such home whenever the fuck they feel like it (and don't give me any bullshit about search warrants...we all know better than that).
Do you give them that master key and by doing so instantly render the security of your system vulnerable to whoever gets their hands on that key?
Also, now that everyone know your invulnerable system is vulnerable then what does that do to your business?