Audio expert says key part of Harper-Cadman tape not altered
Newsbot @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:39 am
Title: Audio expert says key part of Harper-Cadman tape not altered
Category: Political
Posted By: DerbyX
Date: 2008-10-10 18:46:29
Canadian
C.M. Burns @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:39 am
I thought it might be fun to set the wayback machine to the day of mtbr's
Cadman tape a phony/Cadman recording doctored, Tories allege topic to see what some of Harper's supporters had written:
mtbr mtbr:
No way the Liberals would never do such a thing!
ridenrain ridenrain:
It's looking like Tom Zytaruk trusted the wrong people. His book was based on the stories of Donna and the tape, but now that Donna recanted her story, the only "proof" remains is the tape. I'm guessing he passed that over to the Liberals when they snatched onto the book as a political bludgeon and that's where the tampering took place. I doubt Tom Zytaruk did that himself but he's in far too deep to admit the tape had changed.
Now with the tape in question and the RCMP saying no crime was committed, there's even less ground for the Liberal defence of the lawsuit.
Now with the tape in question and the RCMP saying no crime was committed, there's even less ground for the Liberal defence of the lawsuit.
ridenrain ridenrain:
If I recall correctly, the Liberal relied on some shady guy from the US to back their I don't know why they didn't use someone at the CBC-Jeera.
Still, nothing about this huge life insurance policy that Chuck himself denied.
The full injunction and the legal briefs are posted on Stephen Taylor's blog and it looks very though. I think this poor reporter is going to get hung out to dry on this one.
Still, nothing about this huge life insurance policy that Chuck himself denied.
The full injunction and the legal briefs are posted on Stephen Taylor's blog and it looks very though. I think this poor reporter is going to get hung out to dry on this one.
It seems you guys need to stop buying your crystal balls at CONservative party fundraisers!
C.M. Burns @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:59 am
Hey, rr,
You're in luck. This weekend you can have some cranberry sauce to go with with that big slice of crow!
Reverend Blair @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:02 am
Yup, the tape wasn't altered. Steve admitted to offering financial considerations to an MP in return for his vote. That's what's called a bribe in common parlance, and bribing an MP is a worse crime than bribing a cop or even a judge.
Looks like PM Steve is a crook. He's like Tricky Dick Nixon, but without the personality.
RUEZ @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:08 am
I haven't read anything yet that proves the PM offered Cadman a bribe. I guess if that's how it works then Jean Chretien should be held directly responsible for any money stolen during the adscam.
DerbyX @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:07 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
I haven't read anything yet that proves the PM offered Cadman a bribe. I guess if that's how it works then Jean Chretien should be held directly responsible for any money stolen during the adscam.
Yes you do have proof. You have him on tape up to his neck offering Cadman "financial considerations" to switch his vote.
Thats a bribe. Its a load of crap that it was only to assure Chuck he would not personally lose any money in any upcoming election as Harper was well aware of Chucks state of health and that the man was not going to be fighting an election battle.
Harper wanted Chucks vote on a single confidence motion and he was willing to offer "financial considerations" to get it. Thats a bribe.
Stephan Harper offered a bribe to a dying man in order to force an election. Harper is a criminal and deserves to be charged for it.
RUEZ @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:08 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
RUEZ RUEZ:
I haven't read anything yet that proves the PM offered Cadman a bribe. I guess if that's how it works then Jean Chretien should be held directly responsible for any money stolen during the adscam.
Yes you do have proof. You have him on tape up to his neck offering Cadman "financial considerations" to switch his vote.
Can you point out where it shows Steven Harper admitting to offering Cadman a bribe?
Reverend Blair @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:28 am
That's when he admits to offering Cadman "financial considerations", Ruez. He was offering him money to vote a certain way. Now I don't know what you call that in Conservativeland, but in the real world we refer to that as a bribe.
DerbyX @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:32 am
Yes.
$1:
Mr. Harper denies that he told Mr. Zytaruk he was unaware of the “details” of the insurance policy offer. He insists that he only confirmed the party had offered Mr. Cadman “financial considerations” in return for rejoining the Tories and voting against the Liberals in a Commons confidence vote.
He's the party leader. He ordered it. They certainly didn't decide to approach him on their own.
In addition, Harper visited Cadman and knew that securing his vote was crucial to brininging down Martins govt.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... b=Politics
He knew full well the details of chucks ailing health. He was not in the least bit worried about reimbursing chuck for any possible election financial costs as he knew full well chuck was in too ill health to wage such a campaign. He knew full well chucks position concerning the upcoming vote also but still he sent his bagman to "meet" with him one more time and he certainly didn't send them over with gentle nagging in mind. He might not of specifically said "offer him a 1 million dollar life insurance policy". He most certainly was willing to "sweeten the pot" in order to secure his vote. Thats bribery.
I'm amazed at all the cons so willing to accuse the Liberals on everything so willing to turn a blind eye to what is authenticated evidence concerning their party and its leader in a bribe attempt on a Canadian MP.
The evidence is clear, Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.
RUEZ @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:33 am
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
That's when he admits to offering Cadman "financial considerations", Ruez. He was offering him money to vote a certain way. Now I don't know what you call that in Conservativeland, but in the real world we refer to that as a bribe.
What I've read is that he was aware that two other people may have offered Cadman something. You have information that shows Steven Harper offered him a bribe?
Zipperfish @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:38 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
That's when he admits to offering Cadman "financial considerations", Ruez. He was offering him money to vote a certain way. Now I don't know what you call that in Conservativeland, but in the real world we refer to that as a bribe.
What I've read is that he was aware that two other people may have offered Cadman something. You have information that shows Steven Harper offered him a bribe?
I believe this is what is known in the busniness as "grasping at straws."
Reverend Blair @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:38 am
Harper would have had to okay it as head of the party. He's admitted to being aware of it and, since he didn't report Flanagan and Finley to the RCMP immediately is an accessory at the very least.
I don't think you guys realize what a serious matter this is. Bribing an MP is right up there with treason. It's an attempt to subvert democracy and an attack on our parliamentary institutions. This isn't a minor matter, it's a very serious criminal act.
DerbyX @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:42 am
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
Harper would have had to okay it as head of the party. He's admitted to being aware of it and, since he didn't report Flanagan and Finley to the RCMP immediately is an accessory at the very least.
I don't think you guys realize what a serious matter this is. Bribing an MP is right up there with treason. It's an attempt to subvert democracy and an attack on our parliamentary institutions. This isn't a minor matter, it's a very serious criminal act.
I don't think you guys realize what a serious matter this is. Bribing an MP is right up there with treason. It's an attempt to subvert democracy and an attack on our parliamentary institutions. This isn't a minor matter, it's a very serious criminal act.
Or "buisness as usual" down at the CPC HQ.
RUEZ @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:44 am
Well I suggest you guys run down to the RCMP and get the ball rolling. They could probably use some help since you've got the investigation under control.
DerbyX @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:51 am
Well what do you think happened? Is Harper the victim of circumstance? Did the Liberal party put his own underlings up to the bribe attempt in order to risk losing the vote but to incriminate Harper in a conspiracy?
Do you honestly think Harper had no connection or guilt at all in what was clearly an attempt to bribe a sitting MP?