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I agree. There is nothing wrong with this particular Law. I suspect that there is no slippery-slope here, but it is likely that the Anti-Abortionists(or at least some of them)will claim it as a victory of sorts.

   

I do see it as a moderate victory since you are giving a fetus with a willing mother protection, as if a mother was carrying a child in her arms. However, this might not have an effect on abortion

   

Murders of woman that are known to be pregnate? This happens how often? It's a ploy of some sort.

   

Actually, this bill is nothing more than yet another attempt to sneak anti-abortion legislation into Parliament.

The bill will actually accomplish nothing. If somebody beats a pregnant woman so badly that she miscarries, there's already a law for that: Aggravated Assault. It carries a 14 year max penalty. Rather than open up a can of worms about the time when a fetus gets rights, increase aggravated assault to life imprisonment and make the death of a fetus a factor at sentencing.

Face it, there are no consecutive sentences in Canada, they're concurrent. So, the new life imprisonment for aggravated assault would handle any and all legal punishments without getting into messy entanglements otherwise. It accomplishes the same end-goal; punishing those who kill fetuses during the commission of a crime, but doesn't have any nasty side-effects like shoe-horning in a prosecution of an abortion doctor by religious shitheads.

   

westendguy give me a break... we all know the right wing philosophy on abortion...so this is just a step in that direction.. interpretation of this law will be difficult .. so if a woman decides to abort will it be interpreted as harming a fetus? you bet and so its turn back the clock....
and for Durandal the religious beliefs of those voted to represent ALL CANADIANS should be left at the door of the house of commons. there are far too many self rightious born again evangelicals influencing this current government... from what type of movies they support financially to other issues that is none of their business...

   

Did anyone here bother to read the article?

This has nothing to do with abortion. Currently if joe bad guy attacks a pergnant woman and here fetus dies as a result of the attack there are no laws to charge with which to charge him with for the death of that child. That is the only focus of this bill. This bill was needed and is long over due. It does nothing to further anti-abortion rights.

   

I find it a very dangerous path, trying to find a time when a fetus gets rights. That could lead to very scary things, and I agree that with you that aggravated assault should cover it.

Hell, if that ass in Vancouver (it is early, his name is somewhere, but not in my head ) doesn't have to stand trial for those other 20 murders "because that would be a waste of money", why this?

   

So if a pregnant woman is raped and her unborn child dies as a result of the attack you feel that the guy should simply get off with aggravated assault? I bet the mother to be would probably agrue with your statement.

Besides with the current laws the only charges against said bad guy would be the ones for the offences committed against the woman. His crimes against the unborn child would go unpunished because under current Canadian law the fetus has no legal rights.

   

What would you make it otherwise? It IS aggravated assault (I guess a rape case would fall under that law), but it will not be sued as murder, because it was never the intention to kill the baby...

   

Or, if you'd go by this bill, you'd sue the rapist for murdering an unborn child (which is VERY hard to prove), and not bring him to trial for rape...

   

How about this little scenario.

A rapist impregnates his victim. She later decides to have an abortion. He wants her charged with harming his unborn child (or sues her).

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it but there are plenty of abortion opponents who feel he would actually have the right (or would use that excuse to push their agenda).

   

The aggravated assault charges would only apply to the crimes committed against the woman, no weight would be given towards the death of the child. Trust me, if you were pregnant and you were attacked and your baby died as a result of the attack you'd be singing a different tune particularly after the judge give joe bad guy a slap on the wrist because the perpetrator isn't legal responsible for the death of the unborn child. He would walk away with nothing more than the charges related to physically attacking you which in Canada amount to diddly sqwat.

This bill only serves to protect pregnant women and their unborn children. This is a good bill that that helps further women’s rights and will serve only to better protect pregnant women against a wide variety of offences.

How about battered woman? How much time do you think a guy would serve for pushing his wife down the stairs (keep in mind in Canada the sentencing for such a case is very light)? Now do you think someone should serve more time if that woman was pregnant at the time and the baby died as a result? I think he should. Are you saying that both cases deserve an equal amount of punishment?

   

Let concentrate on what this bill was designed to address and not just some “what if” scenario that will never happen because the law does not touch on abortion rights in the slightest. This is for “attacks against pregnant women”, it has nothing to do with abortion.

Again, my question is:



I’d like to hear your response

   

First of all, you have NO idea what I'd think, so don't tell me I would. I have been pregnant 3 times. How about you?


Wrong. This bill doesn't protect the women. This bill wants to protect fetusses. The scary part about that, is that children have 2 parents. One that carries it, and one that had 5 minutes of fun. Who's decision would have more weight, you think?

Do you really agree, that an 8 week old fetus has the same rights as your 8 year old child?



I am saying, that he would walk away anyway, because it was never his intention to hurt the baby. Accidental death...

   

First of all, you have NO idea what I'd think, so don't tell me I would. I have been pregnant 3 times. How about you?
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Oh what because I'm a man I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this? Nice try. I have two kids and if some dirt bag attacked my wife while she was pregnant and the child died as a result I would want to see manslaughter charges brought up against him. Don't give me this "you’re not a woman so your opinion doesn't count crap", go take your gender issues out somewhere else.

   

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