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wildrosegirl @ Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:42 pm

The saddest part about this is six people were killed in this attack. Aside from the judge, I haven't heard one word about them. I guess the innocent people (including a nine year old girl), the people who vote the congressmen/women in, don't make large enough headlines to waste any ink on.

   



Public_Domain @ Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:53 pm

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Public_Domain @ Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:54 pm

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Gunnair @ Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:12 pm

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:
The saddest part about this is six people were killed in this attack. Aside from the judge, I haven't heard one word about them. I guess the innocent people (including a nine year old girl), the people who vote the congressmen/women in, don't make large enough headlines to waste any ink on.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.girl/index.html?hpt=C1

   



Gunnair @ Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:13 pm

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:
The saddest part about this is six people were killed in this attack. Aside from the judge, I haven't heard one word about them. I guess the innocent people (including a nine year old girl), the people who vote the congressmen/women in, don't make large enough headlines to waste any ink on.

Where have you been for the past few decades, welcome to our media!

Yes, it is all a shame. I've never even heard the names of some of these victims in these articles.


Read more articles then.

Several of them weren't identified until next of kin were notified. All are identified today.

Not everything is a media conspiracy.

   



Public_Domain @ Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:59 pm

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redhatmamma @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:27 am

It's a shame that this is being derailed with over the top rhethoric and a rush to blame Palin and the teaparty, with no evidence at all to suggest he was linked to them, it's unseemly.

   



Yogi @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:33 am

The only 'conspiracy' is within the twisted mind of the shooter. He tried to join the military, but was turned down. He then turned his thoughts towards hitler, aryanns etc. He attempted to purchase ammunition from one Walmart and was refused because of his 'strange behavior. Last week, he was able to make the purchase at another Walmart.

   



xerxes @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:34 am

No one's blaming Palin outright, but the fact remains that since the election of Obama, the rhetoric from the right has become increasinly violent, paranoid, and revolutionary. Let's face it, intense anger toward the government is part of the zeitgeist now in the US. You don't have to know who Sarah Palin and Glen Beck are to sense it or see it on the nightly news or in the local paper.

$1:
Watering the tree of liberty
By Alex Pareene

Whether Jared Loughner is a far-left nihilist or a right-wing racist or -- as he most likely is -- some weird politically incoherent amalgamation of extremist beliefs tinged with paranoia, he wasn't driven to murder by angry campaign slogans. Steve Kornacki's right -- Loughner was not a Gadsden Flag-wielding Tea Partier incited to violence by the Twitter messages of Sarah Palin. But he is a product of the culture, and there's a reason he chose to attack a Democratic Congresswoman. There's a reason why his paranoia was directed at an elected official, the closest representative of what he saw as in illegitimate government. The attempted assassination of a member of Congress seems depressingly like the inevitable conclusion of two years of hysterical revolutionary language suffusing every single domestic political debate.

The Tea Parties are based around the rhetoric of the American Revolution, which was a violent insurrection. It makes a sad sort of sense that a bunch of comfortable white reactionaries would dress up their childish tantrums with such grandiose language, because "desperately protecting your privilege in the face of what appears to be the demise of the empire" sounds much less inspiring than "defeating tyranny."

As the Republican Party has become more homogeneous, more regional, and more reactionary, they have tended to make up for their growing demographic shortcomings by making sure their supporters are more motivated and energized -- and the most effective way to energize them has been to make sure they're constantly enraged.

When the GOP didn't have the votes to stop healthcare reform from passing, their strategy -- and it almost worked -- was to scare Democratic elected officials. That was the point of telling everyone to shout themselves hoarse at the town halls: to terrify House members. Convince them that their constituents were incensed. If some LaRouchites or other unclassifiable political entities got into the mix, fine -- more voices for the choir of rage. What was formerly a sort of uneasy tolerance of the extremists inched closer to open acceptance. Roger Ailes allows Glenn Beck to run amok spreading classic Bircher paranoia. Matt Drudge links to conspiracy-mad broadcaster Alex Jones. Everyone in the party had to pretend to be cool with idiot extremist Oath Keeper Sharron Angle, because the craziness the right-wing whipped up led their primary voters to select her over the safe party hack who would've handily defeated Harry Reid. There are connections -- both direct and spiritual -- between the far-right Patriot movements that flourished in the '90s and some of the more out there elements of the Tea Parties.

When she's not talking about God, Sarah Palin's talking about guns. Practically all her rhetoric is blood-soaked and proficiency with firearms is a key element of her persona. Her cult can claim her stupid map wasn't supposed to show rifle sights aimed at vulnerable Democratic districts, but anyone who's ever seen a violent movie -- which is to say, Americans of all ages -- knows what crosshairs look like. "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD" isn't one unfortunate incident of over-the-top language, it's her mantra. "Going Rogue" begins with that line, attributed to her father.

Everyone uses battle-related language in politics, of course. "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," candidate Barack Obama said in 2008. Rahm Emanuel's comically exaggerated speech is the stuff of (probably embellished) legend. It's perfectly legitimate, if also often counterproductive and stupid, to pretend politics is bloodsport.

I'd also say that while you can argue the wisdom of either, there's a difference between using the imagery of politics as streetfight and employing revolutionary rhetoric. And when you combine standard-issue violent political language with the idea -- stated and reiterated by nearly every prominent right-wing politician and media figure since Obama took office -- that the opponent is not simply wrong, but has illegitimately seized power, and is illegally exercising that power, the inevitable question raised is, "what do we do to stop them?" The correct answer is supposed to be "vote Republican and keep watching Fox," of course, but a good midterm for the GOP hasn't dethroned the socialist usurper-in-chief.

It's not strictly that language tinged with violent imagery is dangerous, or that heated denunciations of the motivations of your political opponents are out of line, or even that America's pervasive gun fetishization is to blame (though our gun culture is insane and bizarre to every single other developed nation in the world) for violent crimes. But when elites don't just condone but participate in the combination of that violent imagery with the idea that the government represents an existential threat -- that representatives of the government are domestic enemies, that your liberty and even your physical safety are in danger -- the idea of political violence is normalized. Terrorizing Congress members at town halls and "we surround you" and head-stomping and death threats and all the other bad craziness just becomes "the way we do politics in America."

The crazies are listening to the same media that the rest of us are. Charles Alan Wilson, the man arrested last year for threatening the life of Senator Patty Murray, used the same language as Glenn Beck in his insane voicemails to Murray's office and borrowed Sarah Palin's death panels meme. (He also had a concealed weapons permit and carried a loaded .38 special.) When everyone's hoisting guns and shouting "tyranny" and playing at being a revolutionary, there will be a couple people who don't see the wink.

Was Erick Erickson on CNN this weekend, to deliver his brilliant political analysis? I imagine he would prefer not to be reminded of the time he got himself all worked up about new regulations on dishwasher detergent, and wrote this stirring call to arms:

$1:
At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?

At some point soon, it will happen. It’ll be over an innocuous issue. But the rage is building. It’s not a partisan issue. There is bipartisan angst at out of control government made worse by dumb bans like this and unintended consequences like AIG’s bonus problems.

If the GOP plays its cards right, it will have a winning issue in 2010. But it is going to have to get back to “leave me the hell alone” style federalism where the national government recedes and the people themselves will have to fight to take their states back from special interests out of touch with body politic as a whole.

Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation.


This, again, was in response to a mildly inconvenient ban on certain types of dishwater detergent that are polluting fresh groundwater.

Will Joyce Kaufman be on WFTL tomorrow morning repeating her comments about what to do when voting doesn't produce the desired result?

There's Dick Morris on Fox just throwing this out there: Maybe "those crazies in Montana who say, 'we're gonna kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over'" are "beginning to have a case."

There's Michele Bachmann calling a climate-change bill "tyranny":

There's also Michele Bachmann more explicitly calling for a revolution, invoking Jefferson's famous "tree of liberty" line. (That appearance, on Hannity, was as insane as Bachmann ever gets, babbling about a world currency, warning that the "link" of "our very freedom" was about to "break.")

Even the goofiest of the sideshow midterm primary candidates presented themselves almost uniformly as not just the spiritual descendants of the Founders, but the would-be leaders of a new revolution. Alabama's Rick Barber is just sitting at a bar, chatting with Washington about how the IRS is the modern-day equivalent of George III:

Democrat Joe Manchin didn't feel he could win his Senate race unless he filmed himself literally shooting liberal ideals to death, with a gun:

Sharron Angle implicitly called for violence if Republicans couldn't win traditional elections. Some idiot from Glenn Beck's show says violent overthrow of the government is "on the table." Beck himself constantly presents the specter of vast cataclysmic violence as inevitable -- just around the corner, unless we turn back from liberalism soon.

This stuff infects the whole culture. When this is the bed you make, you can't be too shocked when monsters hide under it.


http://www.salon.com/news/gabrielle_giffords/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/01/10/revolutionary_rhetoric

   



Gunnair @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:36 am

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
I'm not denying they haven't been identified by somebody, and I'm not saying there's a conspiracy. I'm commenting on the general mass de-railing of that entire side of the story.

Do you gotta be a dick about it?


That side of the story is important in its own, however, the reason they focus on the congresswomen is the fact that there is some evidence that this may be a politically motivated assassination - a politically motivated assassination in the middle of some of the most vitriolic violence insinuated rhetoric seen in a long time. So, the media focuses on that side of the story because it has national implications. The six that died is a huge shame and extraordinarily tragic, however, its more of a local issue.

So no, it's not a media conspiracy as you did suggest by trotting out a tired cliché about the media, and no, I don't think I'm being a dick by suggesting you try and think beyond the narrow boundaries you place yourself in when you look at the world. :wink:

   



Yogi @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:40 am

Gunnair Gunnair:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
I'm not denying they haven't been identified by somebody, and I'm not saying there's a conspiracy. I'm commenting on the general mass de-railing of that entire side of the story.

Do you gotta be a dick about it?


That side of the story is important in its own, however, the reason they focus on the congresswomen is the fact that there is some evidence that this may be a politically motivated assassination - a politically motivated assassination in the middle of some of the most vitriolic violence insinuated rhetoric seen in a long time. So, the media focuses on that side of the story because it has national implications. The six that died is a huge shame and extraordinarily tragic, however, its more of a local issue.

So no, it's not a media conspiracy as you did suggest by trotting out a tired cliché about the media, and no, I don't think I'm being a dick by suggesting you try and think beyond the narrow boundaries you place yourself in when you look at the world. :wink:


Mr C is to be tolerated, if not forgiven, for his stunted view of the world. Afterall, his 'circle of life experience' is, by comparison, rather small indeed!

   



Gunnair @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:41 am

redhatmamma redhatmamma:
It's a shame that this is being derailed with over the top rhetoric and a rush to blame Palin and the teaparty, with no evidence at all to suggest he was linked to them, it's unseemly.


Actually, there's plenty of evidence out there that some right wing extremists have suggested issues should be sorted out by exercising a 2nd amendment remedy.

What do you think that suggests? Spelling bees?

Don't trip over yourself to deny the obvious - that the toxic political climate has been fueled by insinuations of violence by the morally deficient and mentally incapable.

   



wildrosegirl @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:42 am

Gunnair Gunnair:
wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:
The saddest part about this is six people were killed in this attack. Aside from the judge, I haven't heard one word about them. I guess the innocent people (including a nine year old girl), the people who vote the congressmen/women in, don't make large enough headlines to waste any ink on.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.girl/index.html?hpt=C1

Finally. Those folks deserve some sort of tribute. They were true victims in this. They weren't the targets.

Thanks, Gunny.

   



redhatmamma @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:49 am

Rather than reply to the rhetoric here I'll post this as it is very apprapro
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 96964.html
The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel
[quote]Those who purport to care about the tenor of political discourse don't help civil debate when they seize on any pretext to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.

Shortly after November's electoral defeat for the Democrats, pollster Mark Penn appeared on Chris Matthews's TV show and remarked that what President Obama needed to reconnect with the American people was another Oklahoma City bombing. To judge from the reaction to Saturday's tragic shootings in Arizona, many on the left (and in the press) agree, and for a while hoped that Jared Lee Loughner's killing spree might fill the bill.

With only the barest outline of events available, pundits and reporters seemed to agree that the massacre had to be the fault of the tea party movement in general, and of Sarah Palin in particular. Why? Because they had created, in New York Times columnist Paul Krugman's words, a "climate of hate."

The critics were a bit short on particulars as to what that meant. Mrs. Palin has used some martial metaphors—"lock and load"—and talked about "targeting" opponents. But as media writer Howard Kurtz noted in The Daily Beast, such metaphors are common in politics. Palin critic Markos Moulitsas, on his Daily Kos blog, had even included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's district on a list of congressional districts "bullseyed" for primary challenges. When Democrats use language like this—or even harsher language like Mr. Obama's famous remark, in Philadelphia during the 2008 campaign, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"—it's just evidence of high spirits, apparently. But if Republicans do it, it somehow creates a climate of hate. cont...

   



Gunnair @ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:50 am

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:
Gunnair Gunnair:
wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:
The saddest part about this is six people were killed in this attack. Aside from the judge, I haven't heard one word about them. I guess the innocent people (including a nine year old girl), the people who vote the congressmen/women in, don't make large enough headlines to waste any ink on.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.girl/index.html?hpt=C1

Finally. Those folks deserve some sort of tribute. They were true victims in this. They weren't the targets.

Thanks, Gunny.


CBC is running stories today as well. I`m not surprised it`s taken a day or so for these to kick in. Really, I doubt people who`ve just lost loved ones are going to run out and grant interviews in the first hours or day of such a massive tragedy.

   



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