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China is slowing because America is in a recession.

Full stop.

   

As for all the product we sell to them, why dosen't it change the huge trade deficit numbers? Will Siemans sell them another train, or will China be selling Siemans trains?

Ah yes the seductive lie of "engagement"
We've been hearing this since Nixon viseted and China has not changed it's path in the least. The fact they are gobbling up Africa should be a source of worry but we don't need to worry because they'll be just like us.. next year? Next decade?

   

Too bad.

What are you going to do about it? Sit impotently at your computer and bitch about China while they do what thye are going to do with no regard for how you think about them?

We do.

   

If we limited ourselves to the things we could actually do, this would be a very boring forum.

   

Changes nothing. Boots has handed you your ass over China time and again. He gets foreign relations with China and western Canadian society while I get politics and CPC hypocracy.

We both share the military though.

   

Lol. You and Dawn Black are real experts all right.

   

Everybody beats your knowledge.

   

That's funny.

I tried several times to convince RR that China's economic problems are tied to the recessions in Western countries, yet he steadfastly insisted it was entirely due to product recalls. Yet the second someone from his side of the political coin (you) suggests that that is the reason, he shuts up. Go figure!

Thanks!

   

I'm not saying their not connected, for indeed they must be.. but then you're not admitting that the manufacture of poisonous products must also be affecting sales. That toy recall scared a great many consumers and just because Matel took the fall didn't make consumers feel better about it.
Consumers won't buy products with a dangerous reputation, reguardless of how cheap they are.

   

No, I admitted product recalls were an issue, saying it was maybe 5%-15% (see the first page), but brought forward the major reason that China would hurt for the next year or two was recession in the West, which you essentially dismissed. All you seemed to want to talk about was bad eggs sold to Taiwan and so on, not the realities of the global economy.

That was one of the reasons I didn't respond to you right away, as I thought this was another "Let's bash China" thread, which appears to have proven to be true.

   

Sorry.. bashing China is one of the things I do. For all the white or green wash on top, they are still a peoples dominated by a unelected and unrepresentative gang of criminals.

   

Why do you care?

The vast majority of mainland Chinese couldn't care less about democracy and are relatively happy with the way things are. Whether that's because they don't know any better (having had a dictatorship run the country for 2000+ years), or because they are genuinely happy with the current state of affairs I couldn't say with total accuracy.

In the end, I may not like their choice of government either, but at the end of the day, it's up to the Chinese people to change things, not outsiders. If there was a legitimate group who wanted democracy, then I'd support that, but right now, it's a fringe group of a few loud-mouthed malcontents. I'm honestly not sure things would be any better if the KMT had won the civil war in 1949, simply because they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into a democracy too.

   

To say their happy with the state of their government, economy or life in general isn't fair or accurate. There are riots every day and more now that these budding capitalists are tasting their first bit of failure. Many now are grabbing what they can and running away, leaving thousands of workers high and dry, which was what the party was supposed to prevent in the first place.
Another source of disruption was the lawsuit over the milk scandal that the govenment was trying to squash. The silence the families of dead school kids who were crushed when the school fell down, yet so many other government and private homes did not. There's many more examples and most of them never get out into the news. The Chinese have this thing about order and harmony but this is far from an idealistic "brave new world".

   

Riots everyday? You need to stop believing everything you read in the Epoch Times.

I never said it was a brave new world, but it's not our right to impose anything on anyone. Just because you like democracy doesn't mean everyone does. I lot of Chinese I know like the one party system, because it gets things done. They built three subways lines in the past three years in Beijing, while Edmonton will be lucky to build three stations for our subway. From a Western POV, that might be archaic, but many of them are fine with it.

I don't like dictatorships either, but given that the Chinese people have ALWAYS had one (whether it was the Emperor, Chiang Kai-Shek or the Communists), maybe they do. You may not like it, but the Commies came to power by means of a majority in 1949. Someday, when those who don't reach a majority situation, they will cast out the Commies and they will install another form of government. Until then, there's nothing you or I can do about it.

   

As opposed to what the state media tells us?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nrest.html

Is that better for you? Sounds like it's far from one big happy family.

We will have to choose to disagree here.
You believe they are benevolent; I believe they are malevolent.
You can post stories of gum drops and unicorns and I'll post articals on poisonous baby formula and dead Baiji river dolphins.

   

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