Chrysler failure won't be our fault: CAW
RUEZ @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:23 pm
None of this matters. The fact of the matter is Chrysler is in a death roll and it needs concessions from the CAW to survive. It doesn't matter who's more incompetent if the company leaves Canada.
xerxes @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:39 pm
The CAW and its American counterpart have been making concessions already and in the previous years as well. There's only so much money Chrysler can save asking for concessions from the CAW.
EyeBrock @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:46 pm
What all the big three need to do is make better products at a lower cost than Honda or Toyota, or even VW. But the won't and they will die a long, lingering tax payer supported death.
RUEZ @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:46 pm
xerxes xerxes:
The CAW and its American counterpart have been making concessions already and in the previous years as well. There's only so much money Chrysler can save asking for concessions from the CAW.
Chrysler wants the unions to match Toyota's wage and benefit package of 50 something an hour. To most people in Canada that doesn't sound unreasonable. I guess when you live with a sense of entitlement you don't see the writing on the wall. We have mechanics like that at work. Also members of the CAW, as am I.
ziggy @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:59 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
xerxes xerxes:
The CAW and its American counterpart have been making concessions already and in the previous years as well. There's only so much money Chrysler can save asking for concessions from the CAW.
Chrysler wants the unions to match Toyota's wage and benefit package of 50 something an hour. To most people in Canada that doesn't sound unreasonable. I guess when you live with a sense of entitlement you don't see the writing on the wall. We have mechanics like that at work. Also members of the CAW, as am I.The black vans should be pulling up soon.
Mustang1 @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:01 pm
The reality is that Chrysler is in big trouble. It's got crappy products, too many dealerships and too many branding offerings. Whether it gets Fiat to bail it out, or gets massive concessions from labor, won't mean squat when you've got little to sell.
Ford apparently made it, GM will likely survive (restructured or bankruptcy protection remains to be seen) albeit as a much smaller company with a select stable (guaranteed is Cadillac and Chevy, with possibly Buick) but both do have decent products, but Chrysler needs to revamp its lineup. And fast.
RUEZ @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:03 pm
ziggy ziggy:
The black vans should be pulling up soon.
commanderkai @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:07 pm
Things have changed, to be sure, but like people have said, management fucked up by giving too many concessions to labor back in the good days 30 years ago. The thing people forget, is that unions have this loaded, dangerous gun called strikes, which can totally fuck over companies. People keep pinning this on management, while making sure the unions are in their blind spot
sandorski @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:08 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
sandorski sandorski:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The whole thing is very silly. They make cars that people don't want and get paid more than nurses and paramedics for putting nuts and bolts on an inferior product that they want us to pay through the nose for.
I bought a Jeep Cherokee in 1999. Sold it 18 months later, total piece of crap, bought a VW Jetta and now I'm on my second VW and have had no probs with either car. Good on gas, goes quick, great sound system, leather etc and way cheaper to buy.
Why should I buy a crappy car to keep over paid production workers in a job?
See ya Chrysler and see ya CAW.
I bought a Jeep Cherokee in 1999. Sold it 18 months later, total piece of crap, bought a VW Jetta and now I'm on my second VW and have had no probs with either car. Good on gas, goes quick, great sound system, leather etc and way cheaper to buy.
Why should I buy a crappy car to keep over paid production workers in a job?
See ya Chrysler and see ya CAW.
The VW Workers(unless they are Mexican or other less Developed country) are Paid just as much and may very well have superior Benefits, especially if it's IMported from Germany.
Sand, I care not where the car is made (SigPig is right, both my Jetta's are NAFTA products). I go for the look and quality of an item, just like I buy Canon 'L' lenses.
I have bought Chev and Jeep products and not been impressed, I don't make the same mistake twice, unlike the Big 3 and the CAW who seem to be on groundhog day 35,678.
I just want a good quality product that is reasonbly priced. If they started making such a product in Canada or the US I'd buy it. I'm not anti buying NA, I'm just anti buying a shite product.
As you should. Quality is a Management/Engineering problem though, not a Union problem.
mtbr @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:22 pm
sandorski sandorski:
As you should. Quality is a Management/Engineering problem though, not a Union problem.
so line workers aren't responsible for the missing nuts and bolts?
martin14 @ Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:29 pm
sandorski sandorski:
As you should. Quality is a Management/Engineering problem though, not a Union problem.
as you are so fond of putting it,
epic fail
EyeBrock @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:55 am
Cop out sand. Paying 19 dollars an hour more to these guys than the Canadians who make decent products like Camry's and Accords makes no sense. At the end of the day we consumers pay the difference.