Canada Kicks Ass
Conservative government falls in non-confidence vote

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stokes @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:18 pm

I hope the CPC gets that elusive majority for the following reasons:

1. the overall political climate in this country is in shambles. how can the "loyal" opposition blame the government for anything when the government cant do anything unless everyone agrees.

2. We, as a country, need stability so we can begin making progress as we are one of the best countries in the world but there is too much bs in the HoC.

3. IMHO there are too many political parties which does nothing but create problems. Should be 3 max, guess which one I would get rid of????

   



stokes @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:22 pm

Curtman:

I prefer this quote from the same story which I think is by far more accurate to how Canadians feel:

“Unfortunately, Mr. Ignatieff and his coalition partners in the NDP and Bloc Quebecois made abundantly clear that they had already decided they wanted an election instead, Canada’s fourth election in seven years, an election Canadians had told them clearly that they did not want,” he said. “Thus the vote today, which obviously disappoints me, and will, I suspect, disappoint most Canadians”

   



CommanderSock @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:39 pm

stokes stokes:
I hope the CPC gets that elusive majority for the following reasons:

1. the overall political climate in this country is in shambles. how can the "loyal" opposition blame the government for anything when the government cant do anything unless everyone agrees.

2. We, as a country, need stability so we can begin making progress as we are one of the best countries in the world but there is too much bs in the HoC.

3. IMHO there are too many political parties which does nothing but create problems. Should be 3 max, guess which one I would get rid of????


Liberals think the same about for a liberal majority. But since that won't happen, a minority or a coalition wet dream will do the job.

   



PJB @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:39 pm

We are going to have all of the ususal bullshit promises by every damn politician in this ocuntry and then one day after the election we will be back to the same ole same ole. May be a few different faces but it will be the same damn thing.

   



Curtman @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:41 pm

stokes stokes:
Curtman:

I prefer this quote from the same story which I think is by far more accurate to how Canadians feel:

“Unfortunately, Mr. Ignatieff and his coalition partners in the NDP and Bloc Quebecois made abundantly clear that they had already decided they wanted an election instead, Canada’s fourth election in seven years, an election Canadians had told them clearly that they did not want,” he said. “Thus the vote today, which obviously disappoints me, and will, I suspect, disappoint most Canadians”


Too bad you can only find a quote about the unrelated issue of the budget, which rambles on into an attack-ad instead of the current topic of the vote that found them in contempt of parliament.

Nobody wanted the last election either. Harper had even run his previous campaign promising fixed election dates, then he broke his own law to call the early election. This is the longest minority government in the history of Canada. This is by no means an "early election".

   



dino_bobba_renno @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:46 pm

The media is all ready starting with the Elizabeth May stuff again :roll: When will they learn that 4 idiots are enough.

   



Elvis @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:19 pm

In my opinion I don't think the Con will make it has the next Gov, if it is a minority gov. The present opposition party will form a coalition. Which is pretty democratic since they will have the majority of the vote.

   



dino_bobba_renno @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:29 pm

It would be a lot more democratic if they expressed their wishes to form a coalition during the election campaign. There is nothing wrong with coalitions but to try to hide their intentions to do so is nothing less than dishonest. If they feel so strongly that a coalition is the way to go and think that Canadians would be in support of such an idea then why go to such lengths to down play that possibility? I think there is an easy enough answer to that question and it's that the majority Canadians don't currently agree with the idea of a coalition and the opposition parties know it.

   



Bodah @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:36 pm

I think the Cons do have a chance at a majority here. I have a feeling between now and May a lot can happen that may sway voters to give the Cons a majority. As long as Harper plays it cool and lets the opposition bark like rabid dogs it's a definite possibility.

I wish they would change the format of the televised debates because they are about as exciting as watching paint dry. Let them go at each other it's always restrained.

I'm wondering if we can get the televised debates in English first this time around for the past two maybe three debates it's been French first ? What ever happened to the equality of our two solitudes ? But I'm not holding my breath.

   



DerbyX @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:39 pm

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
It would be a lot more democratic if they expressed their wishes to form a coalition during the election campaign. There is nothing wrong with coalitions but to try to hide their intentions to do so is nothing less than dishonest. If they feel so strongly that a coalition is the way to go and think that Canadians would be in support of such an idea then why go to such lengths to down play that possibility? I think there is an easy enough answer to that question and it's that the majority Canadians don't currently agree with the idea of a coalition and the opposition parties know it.


Trouble is they don't need to hide it. Its an inherent fact. Why don't teams announce they are going for the tie? They say they are going for the win. Same reason why every athlete stands in front of a mike and says "I don't want a trade. This is the team I want to play for" 5 minutes before getting traded then going back in front of that mike and saying "This is the team I really want to play for.

The majority of Canadians don't favour a coalition because they don't understand it. The majority of Canadians think our entire political system is corrupt and rife with ignoramuses as well. The coalition didn't actually receive any less support then any single party did.

It should certainly be explained better though. Not a coalition of losers but a coalition of parties who have received enough support to form a majority government.

   



Bodah @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:43 pm

Elvis Elvis:
In my opinion I don't think the Con will make it has the next Gov, if it is a minority gov. The present opposition party will form a coalition. Which is pretty democratic since they will have the majority of the vote.


There's nothing democratic about not liking the outcome of an election, forming a coallition and taking out the government. I know they're Conservative voters but our votes count as well we can't just be dismissed because it's Conservative voters. You want to see a bunch of really pissed off people go ahead and do it.

But, if the NDP, Bloc and Liberals want to form together and do it under one party with a new name I see no problem with that.

Otherwise your fucking with the democractic will of the people and I will not tolerate it.

It be like me buying a pair of shoes, two days later wallmart shows up at my door and says give me back what you bought and take these instead this is what you really bought and no refunds. I don't think so.

And don't give me this Harper did it bullshit, he tried to do it and it never happened. Stick with reality.

But I suspect you maybe trolling.

   



FieryVulpine @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:47 pm

Too bad I don't have any confidence in any of the nimrods in Ottawa.

   



DerbyX @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:50 pm

Bodah Bodah:
Elvis Elvis:
In my opinion I don't think the Con will make it has the next Gov, if it is a minority gov. The present opposition party will form a coalition. Which is pretty democratic since they will have the majority of the vote.


There's nothing democratic about not liking the outcome of an election, forming a coallition and taking out the government. I know they're Conservative voters but our votes count as well we can't just be dismissed because it's Conservative voters. You want to see a bunch of really pissed off people go ahead and do it.

But, if the NDP, Bloc and Liberals want to form together and do it under one party with a new name I see no problem with that.

Otherwise your fucking with the democractic will of the people and I will not tolerate it.

It be like me buying a pair of shoes, two days later wallmart shows up at my door and says give me back what you bought and take these instead this is what you really bought and no refunds. I don't think so.

And don't give me this Harper did it bullshit, he tried to do it and it never happened. Stick with reality.

But I suspect you maybe trolling.


Oh please. :roll: So because Harper failed its wrong?

Alot of people claim its undemocratic that vote% doesn't reflect actual seat results. The NDP & Greens certainly do. A lot of people claim floor crossing (myself included) violates the democratic process. Hell a lot of people don't like the idea we can't directly vote for a PM ala US Prez style.

We aren't even getting into the whole unelected GG required to form the government (or just about anything they do).

This isn't undemocratic in the least. We don't democratically elect parties or a PM or even a government. We elect MPs and then the GG looks at the results and decides who can form the government and be PM.

   



dino_bobba_renno @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:55 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
Trouble is they don't need to hide it.


I agree with most of what you said but the fact is, at least at the moment, they are hiding it. Even if they were to come out and say it's a possibility and like you said explain it, it might be more palatable to Canadians but to go about it in the manner they did after the last election was wrong as was evident by the reaction of most Canadians.

   



DerbyX @ Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:00 pm

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Trouble is they don't need to hide it.


I agree with most of what you said but the fact is, at least at the moment, they are hiding it. Even if they were to come out and say it's a possibility and like you said explain it, it might be more palatable to Canadians but to go about it in the manner they did after the last election was wrong as was evident by the reaction of most Canadians.


Its entirely possible Iggy isn't considering it. He might very well have been told that this is his one shot and if he fails to deliver the goods he is on his way out and the party won't support him leading a coalition.

Possible. :lol:

Personally I agree. I think they should campaign on a coalition platform and take the time to explain the reasoning and merits. Detail what a Lib-NDP platform will be.

Of course that sounds sensible and thus won't happen.

BTW, in case anybody is actually reading the platforms they'll have noticed that Harper has stolen the Lib platform. His budget is a Lib one with the exception of the corp tax breaks (which I disagree with). Very little difference between them. Of course my opposition to the Conservatives has always been social .....

   



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