Design of Arctic patrol vessels on time and under budget by
Newsbot @ Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:59 pm
Title: Design of Arctic patrol vessels on time and under budget by $20 to $30 million
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2014-09-03 10:22:15
Canadian
DrCaleb @ Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:59 pm
So, a question that still hasn't been answered is; Why did this shipyard get an untendered contract for $250 million to design ships that already exist and they only cost 10% of that amount to design to begin with? Can't we just buy the design from the Swedes or whoever did the work first, for less money? And $30 million under budget is still 90% too much. 
bootlegga @ Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:36 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
So, a question that still hasn't been answered is; Why did this shipyard get an untendered contract for $250 million to design ships that already exist and they only cost 10% of that amount to design to begin with? Can't we just buy the design from the Swedes or whoever did the work first, for less money? And $30 million under budget is still 90% too much.
Because the government is hoping that $250 million will buy enough votes to gain a few seats in the Maritimes, that's why.
For all of Harper's supposed business/economics acumen, things like this prove he's no better than any other politician.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:46 pm
No one has any business congratulating anyone until there's an operational hull in the water.
DrCaleb @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:02 am
bootlegga bootlegga:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
So, a question that still hasn't been answered is; Why did this shipyard get an untendered contract for $250 million to design ships that already exist and they only cost 10% of that amount to design to begin with? Can't we just buy the design from the Swedes or whoever did the work first, for less money? And $30 million under budget is still 90% too much.
Because the government is hoping that $250 million will buy enough votes to gain a few seats in the Maritimes, that's why.
For all of Harper's supposed business/economics acumen, things like this prove he's no better than any other politician.
Personally, I'm seeing visions of $225 million in brown envelopes passed around a Halifax coffee shop.
DrCaleb @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:04 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
No one has any business congratulating anyone until there's an operational hull in the water.
And with $250 million for a $25 million dollar job (or $10 million to buy the plans from another country) there aught to be a free hull or two thrown in.
peck420 @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:54 am
I here the French may have some spares?
DrCaleb @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:29 am
$1:
A CBC News investigation has uncovered a $250-million mystery at the heart of Canada's ambitious shipbuilding program.
Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose and Defence Minister Peter MacKay announced March 7 in Halifax that Ottawa will pay Irving Shipbuilding $288 million just to design — not build — a fleet of new Arctic offshore patrol ships.
Irving will then build the ships under a separate contract.
However, a survey of similar patrol ships bought by other countries shows they paid a fraction of that $288 million to actually build the ships — and paid less than a tenth as much for the design.
In addition, the design of Canada's new ships is based upon a Norwegian vessel whose design Ottawa has already bought for just $5 million.
Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose and Defence Minister Peter MacKay announced March 7 in Halifax that Ottawa will pay Irving Shipbuilding $288 million just to design — not build — a fleet of new Arctic offshore patrol ships.
Irving will then build the ships under a separate contract.
However, a survey of similar patrol ships bought by other countries shows they paid a fraction of that $288 million to actually build the ships — and paid less than a tenth as much for the design.
In addition, the design of Canada's new ships is based upon a Norwegian vessel whose design Ottawa has already bought for just $5 million.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/shipbui ... -1.1300816
The NoCGV Svalbard costs $80 million to build. Each. But we are paying $250m to design something we already own the designs for??
There's fiscal responsibility for you! Are we sure this isn't a Liberal government?
andyt @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:39 am
WTF is going on here?
peck420 @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:43 am
andyt andyt:
WTF is going on here?
Efficiency at it's finest.
Shit like this goes on, while front line units struggle for enough training supplies...
andyt @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:51 am
I hope they solve this mystery. Shit like this just blows me away. I don't see how the govt benefits from wasting money like this. I understand not being careful with our money, since it does't come out of their pocket. But this sort of bullshit, they'd probably get more political benefit by just inviting people to parliament hill for the annual burning of the surplus cash ceremony. Have a few mounties around, hand out free t-shirts, selfies with the Conservative fiscal guardian of your choice. People will love it.
DrCaleb @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:02 am
andyt andyt:
But this sort of bullshit, they'd probably get more political benefit by just inviting people to parliament hill for the annual burning of the surplus cash ceremony. Have a few mounties around, hand out free t-shirts, selfies with the Conservative fiscal guardian of your choice. People will love it.
"burning of the surplus cash ceremony" That is actually hilarious!
bootlegga @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:54 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
bootlegga bootlegga:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
So, a question that still hasn't been answered is; Why did this shipyard get an untendered contract for $250 million to design ships that already exist and they only cost 10% of that amount to design to begin with? Can't we just buy the design from the Swedes or whoever did the work first, for less money? And $30 million under budget is still 90% too much.
Because the government is hoping that $250 million will buy enough votes to gain a few seats in the Maritimes, that's why.
For all of Harper's supposed business/economics acumen, things like this prove he's no better than any other politician.
Personally, I'm seeing visions of $225 million in brown envelopes passed around a Halifax coffee shop.
All for a ship the Navy never even asked for...
DrCaleb @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:03 am
bootlegga bootlegga:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Because the government is hoping that $250 million will buy enough votes to gain a few seats in the Maritimes, that's why.
For all of Harper's supposed business/economics acumen, things like this prove he's no better than any other politician.
Personally, I'm seeing visions of $225 million in brown envelopes passed around a Halifax coffee shop.
All for a ship the Navy never even asked for...
But Irving did.
Benn @ Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:39 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
No one has any business congratulating anyone until there's an operational hull in the water.
My thoughts too