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CBC News - Interactive: New ships for navy, coast guard

   

Are you serious? That's your link?

The Canadian Surface Combatant is designed to at first, replace the four 280's, beginning if one is lucky in 2018. Since there is nothing to indicate timeline of delivery, let's presume one every two years, because half of the plan is deliver them on a regular and drawn out schedule so that we don't build in fits and starts.

2018 - 2024 - Replace the DDHs.

First potential FFG replacement comes in 2026 or later.

FFGs hit EOL in 2032 if they drag it out to 40, 2027 if at 35.

Do the fucking math, genius. No one is scraping the FFGs before 2027 nor does your link suggest it. DDHs first, FFGs later.

Un-fucking-believable...

   

A lot better than many policians. The Liberal official agent for Manitoba likes me because I actually work for a living. She pointed out most politicians majored in debate club, expect to get a high paying job doing nothing but debate. And that includes all political parties.

   

You asked for a link, I gave you one. There are many articles about this. You can make things up all you want, it doesn't change the fact. Construction of surface combat ships begin 2018. Halifax-class frigates were commissioned 1992-1996.

I also have to repeat: rudeness is a sign of weakness. You can't debate without swearing?

   

You offered nothing...there isn't even a timeline mentioned on what ships are being replaced save for the fact it covered DDHs and FFGs.

What are you not understanding that 2018 is when they begin to replace the first DDH and the first CPF hits 35 years at 2027?

Post the link that says a CPF will be decommissioned in 2018. You won't because it doesn't exist, yet you'll still hang on to that wrong headed nonsense.

As for rudeness, go fuck yourself. You had no issue being rude in your own posts with with your sly little pompous jabs at what you presume to think I know and don't know. You'd find much less rudeness if you didn't try to win discussions based on a wide variety of logical fallacies.

   

You complained when Trudeau scrapped the Bonaventure; a ship laid down during World War 2. Laid down in 1943, decommissioned in 1970.

You've conveniently left out a huge piece of her history. KEEL laid down in 1943 but they were mass producing escort carriers like that and a whole lot of hulls were started that lay half finished postwar, just sitting there at Harland and Wolff (same shipyard that built Titanic.). The Carrier that Bonaventure replaced was another Majestic Class carrier that was also originally lying fallow in Belfast and the RCN "traded up" for her by exchanging the Colossus class Warrior for the Maggie.

The Brits had a pile of these half completed Majestic and Colossus class carriers. Belfast was like a used carrier lot. The Majestics ended up Canada (2), Argentina (2) , Australia (2), India (1), Netherlands (1), Brazil (1), France (1) ... they were like assholes. Everybody had one ... EXCEPT for the Royal Navy who never accepted any of them. Anyway, Belfast was like a Winnebago dealership with half-built, unwanted carriers all lined up (other classes as well), so when Canada put in their order for Bonnie (and her special angled flight deck) we didn't receive the complete ship until the mid 1950's with her commissioning in 1957. Her birth date is not 1943, it is more like 1955. She had a thirteen year career in the RCN.

(There is a weird conspiracy legend about her. She went for scrap in Taiwan in 1971. The Indian Navy had her twin the Vikrant (also with an angled flight deck) that was apparently in awful shape. The legend goes that the Indians swapped out their flogged Majestic for the factory fresh, newly modern refitted Bonaventure and continued to operate her as Vikrant. It makes sense to me if the Indians could pull it off and I wouldn't put anything past them. Anyway, the Indian Majestic Class carrier Vikrant made it right up to the present and it went to the breakers Jan. 2014. It has just been replaced by a quite large, Indian designed and built fleet carrier just launched. What do you think? Did India pull a switch and therefore get another 4+ decades out of their reputedly flogged out, old Kipper carrier?

   

Well, why wouldn't the Indians do it? Fresh out of refit and a sweet deal.

   

The story even rated a Wiki :



Legend[edit]

A Canadian legend especially popular around the time of her scrapping, eventually even mentioned in an article by the Naval Officers Association of Canada, claimed that the well-maintained and recently refitted Bonaventure was quietly swapped for the worn-out Indian carrier Vikrant in 1971, which was the ship actually scrapped. The article quotes Halifax Herald reporter Mike Bembridge and Senator Forrestall who attempted to track down Bonaventure after it disappeared for two weeks only to reappear already partly disassembled where it was supposed to be scrapped:


In a 1989 Oral History Project of the Library of Parliament, Senator J. Michael Forrestall, a former Progressive Conservative Party defense critic in the House of Commons, cast doubt on Bonaventure's supposed early demise... One evening, Forrestall called the Indian Embassy and asked the military attaché how Bonaventure was working out. The attaché replied, 'Splendid, we are quite pleased with it,' and then, realizing his slip, immediately hung up the phone.[7]

According to this legend Bonaventure now actually survives as the museum aircraft carrier Vikrant, a decommissioned ship in Mumbai, India, which is the last of the 1942 Design Light Fleet Carriers; she is now scheduled to be scrapped due to insufficient financial interest in her upkeep.[8]

   

Yes

   

SO WHY THE HELL DIDN'T TRUDEAU SELL IT TO THEM?!?!?!?

.... bean counters ... Sheesh!

   

I question the decision to sell it at all. But I was young then: elementary school. I didn't join the Liberal Party until Paul Martin became leader.

   

... Seymour Skinner?

   

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