Drunk driver who killed family of 4 moved to 'healing lodge'
Tman1 @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:48 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Tman1 Tman1:
Probably. Native justice is gender neutral. Something to do with the Gladue code for Native justice. If a native person mass murders people, he/she will get half time off or no time off simply because they had it hard in early life because of the white man. He/She will be home in time for the next drinking bout.
You are quite full of shit.
Prove it.
raydan @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:06 pm
Well your avatar does look like a green turd. 
Tman1 @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:09 pm
raydan raydan:
Well your avatar does look like a green turd.
Well, your avatar describes yourself doesn't it?
BeaverFever @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:10 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Tman1 Tman1:
Probably. Native justice is gender neutral. Something to do with the Gladue code for Native justice. If a native person mass murders people, he/she will get half time off or no time off simply because they had it hard in early life because of the white man. He/She will be home in time for the next drinking bout.
You are quite full of shit.
Prove it.
You're the one making the bullshit claim about FN getting half the sentence YOU are the one who has to prove it.
Tman1 @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:15 pm
Sorry chum. I made a statement. You said it was and I quote" full of shit" the onus is on you to prove me otherwise. That my friend is called a discussion.
BeaverFever @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:23 pm
Nope. You made the original claim, the burden of proof is on you. ESPECIALLY since you are claiming an exception to the normal situation. For example, If you claim to have a herd of unicorns in your backyard, the burden of proof is on you, not the doubter.
$1:
Holder of the burden
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1]
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosoph ... n_of_proof
Tman1 @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:25 pm
WTF...So you have nothing. Ok, bye bye.
BeaverFever @ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:27 pm
Yeah YOU have nothing
PJB @ Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:21 pm
Here's a weird thought about 'native' justice. It seems that there are more than a few bands that will kick offenders off of the traditional lands. i.e the reserve or first nation. to force them to fend for themselves. Interesting concept but where do these exiles end up?
The whole first nations defense is bullshit and all people should be treated equally. "You do the crime. You do the time."
ShepherdsDog @ Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:36 pm
Exiling them forces non native society to deal with their behavior and its costs/consequences. Then they complain if Canada incarcerates them.
herbie @ Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:08 pm
$1:
It seems that there are more than a few bands that will kick offenders off of the traditional lands. i.e the reserve or first nation. to force them to fend for themselves. Interesting concept but where do these exiles end up?
In front of the beer store, outside the Post Office, between the double doors in winter.
They make them all take the first name "Yagatta" and introduce themselves to everyone the see. Come down and meet Yagatta Ride, Yagatta Dollar, Yagatte Smoke.....
BeaverFever @ Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:29 pm
PJB PJB:
Here's a weird thought about 'native' justice. It seems that there are more than a few bands that will kick offenders off of the traditional lands. i.e the reserve or first nation. to force them to fend for themselves. Interesting concept but where do these exiles end up?
The whole first nations defense is bullshit and all people should be treated equally. "You do the crime. You do the time."
The whole first nations defense is bullshit and all people should be treated equally. "You do the crime. You do the time."
Is she First Nations? As I've already pointed out multiple times, healimg lodges are open to people of any race or religion.
Freakinoldguy @ Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:13 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
PJB PJB:
Here's a weird thought about 'native' justice. It seems that there are more than a few bands that will kick offenders off of the traditional lands. i.e the reserve or first nation. to force them to fend for themselves. Interesting concept but where do these exiles end up?
The whole first nations defense is bullshit and all people should be treated equally. "You do the crime. You do the time."
The whole first nations defense is bullshit and all people should be treated equally. "You do the crime. You do the time."
Is she First Nations? As I've already pointed out multiple times, healimg lodges are open to people of any race or religion.
If I was a betting man I'd say she was, given the short period of time (1 month) she served before being admitted to a healing lodge. The regulations for getting admitted to a healing lodge are pretty simple if you're a native. Be a woman and you're inboard. Not so much for non native women although, they may be accepted. So the criteria isn't exactly that everybody's welcome. It's all natives are welcome and everybody else has to earn their way in which is something I find highly unlikely to have happened less than a month into her sentence.
$1:
ADMISSION/TRANSFER/RELEASE
The Healing Lodge will accommodate Federally Sentenced Aboriginal women for all or part of their sentence, regardless of their designated security classification, therefore, women may be admitted directly upon sentencing, revocation, or transfers from other facilities, including Burnaby Correctional Center. Federally Sentenced Women who have been released and subsequently revoked may also be admitted directly to the Healing Lodge rather than being held in Provincial facilities, remand centres or other detention cells while awaiting a parole decision.
Non-Aboriginal women may be accepted at the Healing Lodge provided they can demonstrate that the programs and services offered would be conducive to their healing process.
The Healing Lodge will have an orientation program during which a complete initial assessment will take place.
The Healing Lodge will accommodate Federally Sentenced Aboriginal women for all or part of their sentence, regardless of their designated security classification, therefore, women may be admitted directly upon sentencing, revocation, or transfers from other facilities, including Burnaby Correctional Center. Federally Sentenced Women who have been released and subsequently revoked may also be admitted directly to the Healing Lodge rather than being held in Provincial facilities, remand centres or other detention cells while awaiting a parole decision.
Non-Aboriginal women may be accepted at the Healing Lodge provided they can demonstrate that the programs and services offered would be conducive to their healing process.
The Healing Lodge will have an orientation program during which a complete initial assessment will take place.
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/publications/f ... g.shtml#13
BeaverFever @ Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:36 pm
Well that's pretty dated from back in the early days (the link says it's archived) but when read in conjunction with this:
$1:
CSC’s healing lodges for Aboriginal women offenders are minimum/medium-security facilities. For Aboriginal men, they are minimum-security facilities. Non-Aboriginal offenders can also live at a healing lodge. However, they must choose to follow Aboriginal programming and spirituality. In all cases, we thoroughly assess an offender’s risk to public safety before a decision is made to move him or her to a healing lodge.
I think all it means is that if you don't have respect for aboriginal spirituality then it's not a program for you.