Ex-soldier blames stress for theft
EyeBrock @ Sat May 21, 2011 4:40 pm
andy. Very sad.
Gunnair @ Sat May 21, 2011 5:14 pm
andyt andyt:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Hmmm... whining because a forum member made a right of centre judgement on a vet who, when caught stealing to fuel his gambling addiction, played the PTSD card, which amazingly, means that it must be true for you.
While you, a snivveling left of centre hangdown, play a supportive forum comment card to justify your left of centre support for a military member even though you don't support the CF in general. You're just trying to make some kind of a statement - another dumb one as it turns out.
In other words, you're again playing the forum jackass.
While you, a snivveling left of centre hangdown, play a supportive forum comment card to justify your left of centre support for a military member even though you don't support the CF in general. You're just trying to make some kind of a statement - another dumb one as it turns out.
In other words, you're again playing the forum jackass.
Really frosts your ass that not all military guys are part of your groupmind, huh?
I wonder what supporting the CF in general would look like to you? More of that Cherry flavored unthinking stuff, I guess. We owe returning soldiers adequate support, we don't owe them unquestioning support for missions they volunteered for.
There are those everywhere that like to blame everyone else for their failures... including members of the military. It comes as no surprise, speaking of koolaid sippers, that you'd ass-suck the first post to come along blaming society for the choices of an individual.
It is how you explain your position in society...
I'll have a double double, by the way, Andy.
andyt @ Sat May 21, 2011 5:29 pm
You can spew your shit as much as you like, it's a free forum. Who am I to deny you a good froth at the mouth - you seem to enjoy that.
But here is what the ass sucker actually wrote:
$1:
Mr Young has taken responsibility for his terrible mistake. It is very sad when a good person makes a bad choice, [url]but making full amends is the right and proper thing for him to do[/url]. I personally believe in Redemption, and giving a person the chance to set things right.
I doubt if it will sink in.
Gunnair @ Sat May 21, 2011 5:38 pm
andyt andyt:
You can spew your shit as much as you like, it's a free forum. Who am I to deny you a good froth at the mouth - you seem to enjoy that.
But here is what the ass sucker actually wrote:
I doubt if it will sink in.
But here is what the ass sucker actually wrote:
$1:
Mr Young has taken responsibility for his terrible mistake. It is very sad when a good person makes a bad choice, [url]but making full amends is the right and proper thing for him to do[/url]. I personally believe in Redemption, and giving a person the chance to set things right.
I doubt if it will sink in.
Speaking of a good froth...
Still, irrespective of this, it stills go back to the PTSD and it comes as no surprise that you'd touch yourself silly at the thought laying the blame of an individual's bad choice on society instead of the individual.
You must think Canadian society sucks every time you pour some slacker a coffee then ask what kind of timbits he'd like.
andyt @ Sat May 21, 2011 5:50 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
Still, irrespective of this, it stills go back to the PTSD and it comes as no surprise that you'd touch yourself silly at the thought laying the blame of an individual's bad choice on society instead of the individual.
You must think Canadian society sucks every time you pour some slacker a coffee then ask what kind of timbits he'd like.
So what I say doesn't matter, only what you come up with in your mental masturbation? Neither Paul Young, Winnipeg Pete, nor I have said that the PTSD is an excuse. The only one who said it was the headline writer. Guess it's a lot more fun for you to run with that, rather than reading what any of us actually said. But irrespective of that, you'll just keep wanking away I guess.
ShepherdsDog @ Sat May 21, 2011 6:02 pm
andyt had an epiphany and andyt had an epiphany and:
So what I say doesn't matter
He(the thief) must have talked to Svend Robinson.
Gunnair @ Sat May 21, 2011 6:04 pm
andyt andyt:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Still, irrespective of this, it stills go back to the PTSD and it comes as no surprise that you'd touch yourself silly at the thought laying the blame of an individual's bad choice on society instead of the individual.
You must think Canadian society sucks every time you pour some slacker a coffee then ask what kind of timbits he'd like.
So what I say doesn't matter
Excellent. Even a retard such as yourself can have a lucid moment.
PENATRATOR @ Sat May 21, 2011 7:53 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
andyt andyt:
You can spew your shit as much as you like, it's a free forum. Who am I to deny you a good froth at the mouth - you seem to enjoy that.
But here is what the ass sucker actually wrote:
I doubt if it will sink in.
But here is what the ass sucker actually wrote:
$1:
Mr Young has taken responsibility for his terrible mistake. It is very sad when a good person makes a bad choice, [url]but making full amends is the right and proper thing for him to do[/url]. I personally believe in Redemption, and giving a person the chance to set things right.
I doubt if it will sink in.
Speaking of a good froth...
Still, irrespective of this, it stills go back to the PTSD and it comes as no surprise that you'd touch yourself silly at the thought laying the blame of an individual's bad choice on society instead of the individual.
You must think Canadian society sucks every time you pour some slacker a coffee then ask what kind of timbits he'd like.
Curtman @ Wed May 25, 2011 5:41 am
Judge wasn't told about ex-soldier's dishonest past
$1:
A Manitoba judge didn't know the full story about a former Canadian soldier when she agreed to let him off without a jail term last week for stealing $32,000 from a Winnipeg community club.
The Free Press has uncovered new details about Paul Young's past that raise questions about the plea bargain he struck with justice officials.
Young, 54, was treated as a first-time offender with a spotless record based on submissions made by the Crown and Young, who acted as his own lawyer. Based on those submissions, provincial court Judge Mary Kate Harvie gave Young a one-year conditional sentence.
However, Young has twice admitted to similar crimes of dishonesty that were not presented to the court. It appears no reference was made to those indiscretions because they were dealt with by the military in the form of court martials and did not result in charges under the Criminal Code of Canada.
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The Free Press has uncovered new details about Paul Young's past that raise questions about the plea bargain he struck with justice officials.
Young, 54, was treated as a first-time offender with a spotless record based on submissions made by the Crown and Young, who acted as his own lawyer. Based on those submissions, provincial court Judge Mary Kate Harvie gave Young a one-year conditional sentence.
However, Young has twice admitted to similar crimes of dishonesty that were not presented to the court. It appears no reference was made to those indiscretions because they were dealt with by the military in the form of court martials and did not result in charges under the Criminal Code of Canada.
...
Canadian_Mind @ Wed May 25, 2011 8:57 am
This is just going to make the rest of us look bad.
andyt @ Wed May 25, 2011 9:40 am
Curtman Curtman:
Judge wasn't told about ex-soldier's dishonest past
$1:
A Manitoba judge didn't know the full story about a former Canadian soldier when she agreed to let him off without a jail term last week for stealing $32,000 from a Winnipeg community club.
The Free Press has uncovered new details about Paul Young's past that raise questions about the plea bargain he struck with justice officials.
Young, 54, was treated as a first-time offender with a spotless record based on submissions made by the Crown and Young, who acted as his own lawyer. Based on those submissions, provincial court Judge Mary Kate Harvie gave Young a one-year conditional sentence.
However, Young has twice admitted to similar crimes of dishonesty that were not presented to the court. It appears no reference was made to those indiscretions because they were dealt with by the military in the form of court martials and did not result in charges under the Criminal Code of Canada.
...
The Free Press has uncovered new details about Paul Young's past that raise questions about the plea bargain he struck with justice officials.
Young, 54, was treated as a first-time offender with a spotless record based on submissions made by the Crown and Young, who acted as his own lawyer. Based on those submissions, provincial court Judge Mary Kate Harvie gave Young a one-year conditional sentence.
However, Young has twice admitted to similar crimes of dishonesty that were not presented to the court. It appears no reference was made to those indiscretions because they were dealt with by the military in the form of court martials and did not result in charges under the Criminal Code of Canada.
...
Wow, what a spectacularly bad idea that is. So he could commit murder and not have a record when he's discharged from the military? What about rape or kiddie diddling, do courts martial deal with that too?
Chillaxe @ Wed May 25, 2011 10:04 am
I have personally seen OSI used as a get out of jail free card for some bone head who would probably have committed the offence regardless of past military service. The problem of course is that it makes the true OSI claimants seem less credible. The more often these morons, who probably only served behind the wire, use OSI to excuse thier behaviour or to access a pension, the worse we tend to view OSI. I had a guy who worked for me in a theatre. He was being released due to some hip disease which proved to be hereditary. After exhausting his attempts to place DND on the hook for this and facing release he "sucuumbed" to OSI. He based this on his one and only tour in theatre. He claimed to have seen babies killed and all kinds of atrocities. Trouble was that he (and it was thankfully proven) never left the wire during that tour. We had to keep him around for over a year (long after he was supposed to be released) until the case could be determined. You would not believe the act he would put on during work hours. Total Crap.
andyt @ Wed May 25, 2011 10:19 am
The sentence this guy got is not all that bad. We let violent people off without prison, or very short prison terms. The best part of his sentence is that he has to repay all the money. As long as the court actually enforces that, that's the main thing.
But again, to think of all kinds of criminals leaving the forces with no record is horrifying. There was a story that rape and kiddie diddling was at least as common in the forces as outside. Do those guys get out with no civilian record too?
Chillaxe @ Wed May 25, 2011 10:34 am
andyt andyt:
The sentence this guy got is not all that bad. We let violent people off without prison, or very short prison terms. The best part of his sentence is that he has to repay all the money. As long as the court actually enforces that, that's the main thing.
But again, to think of all kinds of criminals leaving the forces with no record is horrifying. There was a story that rape and kiddie diddling was at least as common in the forces as outside. Do those guys get out with no civilian record too?
But again, to think of all kinds of criminals leaving the forces with no record is horrifying. There was a story that rape and kiddie diddling was at least as common in the forces as outside. Do those guys get out with no civilian record too?
Not at all, there are crimes that the military judiciary system deals with which are usually crimes committed against the service itself such as theft and such. Then there are crimes which are committed within a foriegn country which essentially have a civilian authority working with the military judiciary system. Crimes committed within Canada, ie. rape, kiddie porn etc, are dealt with by both the military justice system and the Canadian justice system. Generally a canadian soldier can be found guilty in two different courts with two different or concurrent sentences. If a rape were to take place on a base, the MP's will investigate but the soldier will answer to the charges in a civilian court. DND may take action as well depending on the circumstances. If a soldier is caught driving while impaired either on base or in town, he will face the same charge you would but also would face repercussions within the military such as alcohol counciling up to possible release. And yes, regardless, the soldier would have a criminal record. The only instance that a soldier wouldn't recieve a record would be if it were a military crime (minor) that is dealt with internally.
andyt @ Wed May 25, 2011 10:39 am
Chillaxe Chillaxe:
andyt andyt:
The sentence this guy got is not all that bad. We let violent people off without prison, or very short prison terms. The best part of his sentence is that he has to repay all the money. As long as the court actually enforces that, that's the main thing.
But again, to think of all kinds of criminals leaving the forces with no record is horrifying. There was a story that rape and kiddie diddling was at least as common in the forces as outside. Do those guys get out with no civilian record too?
But again, to think of all kinds of criminals leaving the forces with no record is horrifying. There was a story that rape and kiddie diddling was at least as common in the forces as outside. Do those guys get out with no civilian record too?
Not at all, there are crimes that the military judiciary system deals with which are usually crimes committed against the service itself such as theft and such. Then there are crimes which are committed within a foriegn country which essentially have a civilian authority working with the military judiciary system. Crimes committed within Canada, ie. rape, kiddie porn etc, are dealt with by both the military justice system and the Canadian justice system. Generally a canadian soldier can be found guilty in two different courts with two different or concurrent sentences. If a rape were to take place on a base, the MP's will investigate but the soldier will answer to the charges in a civilian court. DND may take action as well depending on the circumstances. If a soldier is caught driving while impaired either on base or in town, he will face the same charge you would but also would face repercussions within the military such as alcohol counciling up to possible release. And yes, regardless, the soldier would have a criminal record. The only instance that a soldier wouldn't recieve a record would be if it were a military crime (minor) that is dealt with internally.
Well that's a relief. But this guy's record should also have followed him into civilian life.