Farage claims pro-Brexit momentum after divisive UK vote
BartSimpson @ Tue May 28, 2019 4:40 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Will you settle for the idea that this populism is nowhere near as strong as you think it is if LePen loses yet another election and Farage doesn't even get ten seats in the next British parliament? You can't claim it's on the rise when it gets defeated as often as it wins. Or when it only wins in minor-league countries (with a tradition of fascism) like Hungary or Poland but consistently loses in the huge countries like France, Germany, and Britain.
Nationalism and populism have also won in the USA, Italy, Brazil, and Austria and the nationalists are absolutely gaining ground in Sweden, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Spain, and etc.
The left meanwhile is in retreat everywhere.
Thanos @ Tue May 28, 2019 7:04 pm
Socialists just won in Spain again and the Greens did good in Germany. You haven't won anything until the final vote says so which means you guys really need to stop counting your chickens before they hatch.
martin14 @ Tue May 28, 2019 9:26 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Are you sure Farage is running? I was under the impression he Mickey Moused this Brexit Party together a few months ago, specifically for these MEP elections. Which btw, in case you hadn't heard...he won. 
Party was formed 6 weeks ago.
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Now, does Marine Le Pen have to become president of France to prove nationalism and populism is on the rise in Europe? I'm not sure it does. So much more is happening in Europe. How does that work anyway? Can she win the election but lose the Presidency because there are so many other parties in France they can just collaborate against her?
Have to ask Martin.
Have to ask Martin.
Last couple elections, the Nationalist candidate in France always wins the first round, just not 50% of the vote.
Second round, all the other parties gang up on the Nationalists.
Left, right, center, Commie, socialist, all of them, and then of course their candidate will win.
That is their system, fair or unfair, it is what it is.
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Does she have to win the majority against all the rest of them? That's kind of asking a lot to support a point that should already be obvious.
If Le Pen was running in Canada, she would be PM.
And I always find it hilarious the lefties who howl about FPTP suddenly go
completely silent when Farage brings it up in the UK. With a rep voting system,
Farage would be one of the top king makers in the country.
That is their system, fair or unfair, it is what it is.
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The big one now though, is what's going to happen when Britain does actually walk away from the EU in October. That's when things can really start to happen.
I'm still not convinced they will leave. Thanos is right about one thing;
without Power, it goes nowhere. Europe is in so much trouble right now,
the Overton window isn't enough.
N_Fiddledog @ Tue May 28, 2019 10:46 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Socialists just won in Spain again and the Greens did good in Germany. You haven't won anything until the final vote says so which means you guys really need to stop counting your chickens before they hatch.
Spain's in a political mess right now though, isn't it?
Yes, the socialists retained power but not by much and and the populist party, Vox is on the rise, entering parliament for the first time.
In the meantime the Socialists and their buddies have hit hard times.
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To remain in office, Sánchez will have to form a governing alliance with smaller parties, including the far-left United We Can, which lost 29 seats from the last election. Party leader Pablo Iglesias said late Sunday that he had already offered support to Sánchez, saying that he "would have liked a better result, but it's been enough to stop the right-wing and build a left-wing coalition government."
A coalition of Socialists and United We Can would hold a total of 165 seats, 10 short of the number need for a majority. That would leave Sánchez with a difficult decision about whether to make pacts with Catalan and other separatist parties — a move that would anger many Spaniards.
After having two main political parties for decades, Spain’s political landscape has fragmented into five parties. Voters have been disillusioned as the country struggled with a recession, austerity cuts, corruption scandals, the divisive Catalan independence demands and a rise in far-right Spanish nationalism.
The arrival of Vox in Madrid’s national parliament marks a big shift in Spain, where the far right has not played a significant role since the country’s transition to democracy following the death of dictator Gen. Francisco Franco in 1975.
"We told you that we were going to begin a reconquering of Spain and that's what we have done," Vox leader Santiago Abascal said, in reference to the 15th-century campaign by the Spanish Catholic Kings to end Muslim rule in the Iberian Peninsula.
A coalition of Socialists and United We Can would hold a total of 165 seats, 10 short of the number need for a majority. That would leave Sánchez with a difficult decision about whether to make pacts with Catalan and other separatist parties — a move that would anger many Spaniards.
After having two main political parties for decades, Spain’s political landscape has fragmented into five parties. Voters have been disillusioned as the country struggled with a recession, austerity cuts, corruption scandals, the divisive Catalan independence demands and a rise in far-right Spanish nationalism.
The arrival of Vox in Madrid’s national parliament marks a big shift in Spain, where the far right has not played a significant role since the country’s transition to democracy following the death of dictator Gen. Francisco Franco in 1975.
"We told you that we were going to begin a reconquering of Spain and that's what we have done," Vox leader Santiago Abascal said, in reference to the 15th-century campaign by the Spanish Catholic Kings to end Muslim rule in the Iberian Peninsula.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/socialist ... parliament
Or to put it another way - the populist right is on the rise in Spain.
BartSimpson @ Wed May 29, 2019 2:16 pm
Uncontrolled immigration of rapists from shithole countries will inevitably cause a reaction.
We're seeing the reaction in progress.
By my estimate Europe is right now about where they were in 1928...nationalism is on the rise but abundance and prosperity are for the moment holding it at bay.
Give it a good recession and Europe will be on the march again.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed May 29, 2019 3:51 pm
I'm thinking a lot of what happens next in Britain and then Europe depends on who replaces Theresa May in June.
Boris Johnson is a hard exit guy, isn't he?
Tricks @ Wed May 29, 2019 4:23 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
Will you settle for the idea that this populism is nowhere near as strong as you think it is if LePen loses yet another election and Farage doesn't even get ten seats in the next British parliament? You can't claim it's on the rise when it gets defeated as often as it wins. Or when it only wins in minor-league countries (with a tradition of fascism) like Hungary or Poland but consistently loses in the huge countries like France, Germany, and Britain.
Nationalism and populism have also won in the USA, Italy, Brazil, and Austria and the nationalists are absolutely gaining ground in Sweden, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Spain, and etc.
The left meanwhile is in retreat everywhere.
You mean like UKIP?
BartSimpson @ Wed May 29, 2019 4:40 pm
UKIP got bumped by the shiny new Brexit Party...which landed nine of twelve regions in the UK and twenty nine of seventy two seats in the EU Parliament.
The nationalists and populists are on the rise.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed May 29, 2019 5:09 pm
UKIP claims membership is increasing.
Thanos @ Wed May 29, 2019 5:12 pm
Gamergate perv and noted woman-hater "Sargon of Akkad" got soundly thrashed running for UKIP last week. UKIP has some correct ideas. Too bad they wreck it entirely by running a poisonous dick like that as a candidate, as well as allowing an insane pustulant conspiracy troll like Paul Joseph Watson (the British Alex Jones) to even have a membership in the party at all. For the record Sargon got around 3% of the vote in a riding where UKIP had received nearly 30% in the previous election.
These guys poison everything they touch. No responsible organization or party would ever have anything at all to do with them.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed May 29, 2019 7:52 pm
He got under your skin too did he, T.
He thinks that's funny. Don't blame me. That's what he thinks.
Thanos @ Wed May 29, 2019 7:59 pm
I support his right to make rape jokes, because free speech is an ugly but necessary thing. I also support the right of someone to toss a tin of kippers in his face, like happened to him on the campaign trail. I also support the right of Anita Sarkesian to sue him in court for $100 million or more, and hopefully win, for initiating and stoking the death-threats she got as a result of his leadership in having GamerGate single her out for attack.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed May 29, 2019 8:47 pm
Rucka Ali tells his legend better. And he does it in song. Ever seen it?
Hey did you know he is one of the main guys - if not the main guy - behind the Kekistan meme?
Did you ever see the one where he captured Anti-fa's flag from them? It hangs in his basement now.
But you are correct 4 years ago Carl was trolling British politician, Jess Phillips (who quite frankly doesn't so much deserve it as desperately need it) on Twitter and he did as a troll threaten "Not to rape her."
OMG! OMG! OMG! Horror!!! The horror, little proggies. We must all gather for a group bedwetting protest.