First test for war crimes law
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<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Hyack" target="_blank">Hyack</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-10-03 17:46:26
<strong>Canadian</strong>
Rats @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:12 pm
Does this mean that there is a chance the George Bush and his pack of criminals could be brought to justice?
The major reason the USA does not participate in the World Court in the Hague is because Jimmy Carter could get arrested if monkey-boy and the Iranian Mullahs complain about the attempted rescue of the US embassey hostages.
Monkey-Boy and the mullahs could file charges against the Canadian Doplomatic mission for the "CANADIAN CAPER." You would like that now wouldn't you?
Rats Rats:
Does this mean that there is a chance the George Bush and his pack of criminals could be brought to justice?
Do you mean can a Canadian court prosecute an American President?
I suppose you could.
And the war that would
absolutely follow such a thing would probably last no longer than the court proceedings.
You don't seriously think we'd sit on our butts if you people prosecuted a former or (God forbid) a sitting President, do you? Presidents who have access to our nations most sensitive secrets are not going to be allowed to sit in anyone's jail. As much as we like Canada there are
no limits to the extent we'd go to in order to rescue a President. Even Jimmy Carter.
You tell a bunch of Marines or pretty much anyone else in the US military that we're going to go rescue a President and you're going to have a very motivated, well-armed, and very nasty problem on your hands.
And what do you think would be the economic fallout from such an action as Americans spontaneously started boycotting Canadian goods, divesting from Canadian investments, and what do you think would happen as Canadian investments and assets in the USA would be frozen for the duration of the conflict?
The entire border would be militarized overnight. Canadian ports would be blockaded. Phone lines would be cut. And God only knows what other mayhem would happen.
And the historic friendship between our two nations would be damaged for a good generation or two.
I doubt any Canadian with a lick of sense would even lightly entertain such an idea.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Rats Rats:
Does this mean that there is a chance the George Bush and his pack of criminals could be brought to justice?
You tell a bunch of Marines or pretty much anyone else in the US military that we're going to go rescue a President and you're going to have a very motivated, well-armed, and very nasty problem on your hands.
what if you told them that the Commander and Chief is being held accountable for human rights violations and war crimes he committed, just like every other service man and woman who has been charged through out the fiasco of the Iraq war, and that he doesn't need to be rescued, but brought to justice, much like the marines recently who were nailed for killing a family have.
would they be so quick to jump the boarders if you put it that way? that according to the rule of law no one is above the law
if they still want to rush the boarder after that explanation.....you can come get some......1812....2007.....potato...potatto
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
what if you told them that the Commander and Chief is being held accountable for human rights violations and war crimes he committed, just like every other service man and woman who has been charged through out the fiasco of the Iraq war, and that he doesn't need to be rescued, but brought to justice, much like the marines recently who were nailed for killing a family have.
would they be so quick to jump the boarders if you put it that way? that according to the rule of law no one is above the law
if they still want to rush the boarder after that explanation.....you can come get some......1812....2007.....potato...potatto

While I agree with you that everyone should be accountable . . . the US media still asserts we are a haven for terroism, and despite statements to the contrary and apologies from those who made the statements in the first place - most Americans still believe 9/11 hijackers came from Canada.
Do you think anyone would listen to that explanation or care why we arrested him?
And - are you taking point? I sure the f-k ain't. I'll defend Canada with my life, but I'm not stupid. I'd give those Marines a month or two to get their mad out - then bring some 1812 on them.
Tricks @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:44 pm
Bart, the marines may be one helluva fighting force, but can they deal with 30 million insurgents?
The Spartans eventually were defeated.... 
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Rats Rats:
Does this mean that there is a chance the George Bush and his pack of criminals could be brought to justice?
You tell a bunch of Marines or pretty much anyone else in the US military that we're going to go rescue a President and you're going to have a very motivated, well-armed, and very nasty problem on your hands.
what if you told them that the Commander and Chief is being held accountable for human rights violations and war crimes he committed, just like every other service man and woman who has been charged through out the fiasco of the Iraq war, and that he doesn't need to be rescued, but brought to justice, much like the marines recently who were nailed for killing a family have.
All of those Marines have now been acquitted - save but for the one who took a plea deal and now he's appealing the plea deal and will probably have his charges dismissed.
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
would they be so quick to jump the boarders if you put it that way? that according to the rule of law no one is above the law
if they still want to rush the boarder after that explanation.....you can come get some......1812....2007.....potato...potatto

Tell you what, we have legal tools to deal with our Presidents and we've used them before. Just ask Bill Clinton.
But if a foreign power arrests and prosecutes a sitting or former President that foreign power will cease to exist as a political entity.
You don't think so? Then feel free to arrest and prosecute whomever you want and see what happens.
And don't have the misguided idea that we'd be fighting for any particular person. I feel pretty comfortable speaking on behalf of the entire US military that we'd fight every bit as hard to rescue Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter as we would to rescue either of the Bush Presidents.
And we have laws and no one is above them or
beyond them.
Messing with our Presidents would be a very, very stupid thing to do even in the highly unlikely event that the military wasn't called in to deal with the matter.
BEWARE OF FALSE GODS!!!!
Tricks Tricks:
Bart, the marines may be one helluva fighting force, but can they deal with 30 million insurgents?

The Spartans eventually were defeated....

My point is that any Canadian with any sense at all will not pursue this because the outcome will not be good no matter what.
Would the USA win
The Battle of Toronto? Maybe, maybe not.
It won't really matter who gets to put their flag over the pile of rubble that used to be Toronto because after both sides are done it'll still be a pile of rubble.
And for what?
So some god*amn leftists can crow about how they tried Bush for "Crimes against Humanity" just so an equally stupid liberal-left judge can sentence him to time served and then send him home after he makes a statement of remorse?
Really, say you do arrest Bush. Canada didn't do much to Karla Homolka so my guess is that Bush, at worst, would be out in one or two years.
while i agree that the punishment, if that were to ever happen...true obviously not likeley at all, but yes the punishment would be nothing, i think it would be the principle that he would have been found guilty (following your example).
Tricks @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:02 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tricks Tricks:
Bart, the marines may be one helluva fighting force, but can they deal with 30 million insurgents?

The Spartans eventually were defeated....

My point is that any Canadian with any sense at all will not pursue this because the outcome will not be good no matter what.
Would the USA win
The Battle of Toronto? Maybe, maybe not.
It won't really matter who gets to put their flag over the pile of rubble that used to be Toronto because after both sides are done it'll still be a pile of rubble.
And for what?
So some god*amn leftists can crow about how they tried Bush for "Crimes against Humanity" just so an equally stupid liberal-left judge can sentence him to time served and then send him home after he makes a statement of remorse?
Really, say you do arrest Bush. Canada didn't do much to Karla Homolka so my guess is that Bush, at worst, would be out in one or two years.

No doubt I agree with you

Just thought that's always a funny point. Anyone to attack Canada directly, justified or not, will deal with 30 million insurgents.
$1:
It won't really matter who gets to put their flag over the pile of rubble that used to be Toronto because after both sides are done it'll still be a pile of rubble.
Nevermind Toronto!!! What about us in Vancouver....we will get all your troops contact high and sing Kumbaya....itll be a great luv in!!!
$1:
Really, say you do arrest Bush. Canada didn't do much to Karla Homolka so my guess is that Bush, at worst, would be out in one or two years.
Tricks Tricks:
Bart, the marines may be one helluva fighting force, but can they deal with 30 million insurgents?

The Spartans eventually were defeated....

And you're using the wrong similie here because in this case
Canada would be the Spartans.
Tricks @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:06 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tricks Tricks:
Bart, the marines may be one helluva fighting force, but can they deal with 30 million insurgents?

The Spartans eventually were defeated....

And you're using the wrong similie here because in this case
Canada would be the Spartans.

Spartans can also mean the better trained but much smaller force