Get over the dead ducks already
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
RUEZ RUEZ:
What I don't understand is, people are up in arms over these ducks dying all for oil and jobs. Yet they fully support bashing seals over the head for furs and jobs.
Killing seals is pretty much inevitable when it comes to the sealing industry - killing ducks because a toxic tailing pond was left for them to fly into isn't.
At least you made it clear that you didn't understand.
It's not as if it was intentional BN. Syncrude didn't get the net put on in time.
danikyvor danikyvor:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
RUEZ RUEZ:
What I don't understand is, people are up in arms over these ducks dying all for oil and jobs. Yet they fully support bashing seals over the head for furs and jobs.
Killing seals is pretty much inevitable when it comes to the sealing industry - killing ducks because a toxic tailing pond was left for them to fly into isn't.
At least you made it clear that you didn't understand.
It's not as if it was intentional BN. Syncrude didn't get the net put on in time.
It's an offence, and I don't think intent (mens rea) is an element of the offence. Hopefully they will be charged and the puntiive measures will be larghe enough to be a deterrant to this company and to others.
danikyvor danikyvor:
It's not as if it was intentional BN. Syncrude didn't get the net put on in time.
I didn't say it was intentional - their pond still killed a bunch of ducks, and if people would just accept that and let them face the consequences, this wouldn't have been dragged out this long.
$1:
Premier Ed Stelmach was mocked by the wind-turbine industry for trying to put the photogenic deaths of 500 ducks into perspective.
He noted that green energy - wind turbines - kills 30,000 birds a year. The president of Calgary-based Alberta Wind Energy Corporation, Stewart Duncan, said studies indicate that each wind turbine in Alberta kills a mere 1.3 birds annually. And, "I don't think there are 30,000 wind turbines in the world."
Well, Stewie, there's this thing called Google.
You type in "wind turbines bird kills" and you come upon a USA Today article about how a single wind farm in California accounts for 4,700 dead birds a year. That's one wind farm.
Never mind the wind farm in Virginia that claims 4,000 bats a year. And bats are important because they eat mosquitoes and since the enviro-wacko ban on DDT, are the only viable defence against West Nile virus and malaria.
Gee thank's sorta funny....the other day, I got called a liar here, by one of the self proclaimed enlightened progressives, when I reported witnessing shithawks (seagulls) reduced to a shower of feathers by the luddites wet dream....the Port Burwell wind farm.
This article is right, take into account all the other things that kills way more animals and people and don't even get a single attention, or a single fine. This is ridiculous.
Also Blue_Nose I think his point was that everybody is getting all pissy about 500 ducks that landed in it, without the corporate even wanting that to happen. Everybody screams murder to them, and wants to punish them for it but while the same people have not yet done the same regarding the seal hunts which is 1000000000 times worse. I mean, its fucking dispicable that something like this will get so much attention and hate from the people and the government while the seal hunt still goes untouched.
What happened with the ducks is a factor of life, they landed in the pond and the company diddn't force them to go in there. They had things to try and prevent the ducks from going in there, but they apparently backfired. It's good that the Government are making measures to prevent it from happening again but the fine was ridiculous. That fine should go to the seal hunters for every baby seal they hunt. Grown up seals are fine, although I rather they found a much better way to kill them. They really got to hunt the young ones too? That's not a hunt, it's a slaughter. (Seen videos, and pictures).
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Also Blue_Nose I think his point was that everybody is getting all pissy about 500 ducks that landed in it, without the corporate even wanting that to happen.
Yeah, so what? If I sprayed my lawn with something that killed my neighbours dog without "wanting that to happen", does that mean I'm just off the hook?
If they were required to keep the ducks out of the pond, then they're responsible for keeping the ducks out of the pond. They're not responsible for giving it a decent attempt, or doing it when they can get around to it. They didn't do that, so they got fined, end of story... at least, it would be if everyone would just get over it.
It's not comparable to hunting seals, or any other animal. Your tired "they're just babies, it's a slaughter" rhetoric would earn you and RUEZ a spot on Paul Watson's boat, but it doesn't hold weight with me.
RUEZ @ Wed May 07, 2008 10:48 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Your tired "they're just babies, it's a slaughter" rhetoric would earn you and RUEZ a spot on Paul Watson's boat, but it doesn't hold weight with me.
Hey smart guy, I never said I was against the seal hunt did I? I guess the death of animals in the pursuit of money is only ok when it's not done in Alberta.
RUEZ RUEZ:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Your tired "they're just babies, it's a slaughter" rhetoric would earn you and RUEZ a spot on Paul Watson's boat, but it doesn't hold weight with me.
Hey smart guy, I never said I was against the seal hunt did I? I guess the death of animals in the pursuit of money is only ok when it's not done in Alberta.
Are you trying to argue that the deaths were an inevitable consequence? I was always under the impression that they didn't get the deterrants out in time.
I guess defending the irresponsible acts of billion dollar companies is only acceptable if they're from Alberta.
RUEZ @ Wed May 07, 2008 11:05 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Are you trying to argue that the deaths were an inevitable consequence? I was always under the impression that they didn't get the deterrants out in time.
I guess defending the irresponsible acts of billion dollar corporations is only acceptable if they're from Alberta.
Who's defending oil corporations? I think the death of these ducks was senseless and the company should be dealt with. My point, which I think you've missed entirely, was that the outcry for these dead ducks seems overblown considering what we do to other animals in the pursuit of profit. For instance the seal hunt.
Robair @ Wed May 07, 2008 11:10 am
lily lily:
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Has anybody ever told you to eat shit....
Wow, are you getting a 15 year old to post for you?
SORRY i thought it was better than telling her to go fuck herself.
Well if I have a choice.....
lily lily:
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Has anybody ever told you to eat shit....
Wow, are you getting a 15 year old to post for you?
SORRY i thought it was better than telling her to go fuck herself.
Well if I have a choice.....
Lily if you can find a post of mine that shows I've ran off and joined the circus on this site that argues politics 24 hours a day, then I’ll apologize to you. Hey, if those people want to do that, it's fine with me. I find it a bit boring myself. They probably think arguing about a hockey game a bit boring also.
Guess what my intention was when I posted this
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Ripcat @ Wed May 07, 2008 11:21 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Are you trying to argue that the deaths were an inevitable consequence? I was always under the impression that they didn't get the deterrants out in time.
I guess defending the irresponsible acts of billion dollar corporations is only acceptable if they're from Alberta.
Who's defending oil corporations? I think the death of these ducks was senseless and the company should be dealt with. My point, which I think you've missed entirely, was that the outcry for these dead ducks seems overblown considering what we do to other animals in the pursuit of profit. For instance the seal hunt.
The seal hunt is a cull more so than economic gain for a few individuals.
By your reasoning we should stop eating meat.
The deaths of those ducks was not necessary and clearly avoidable.
RUEZ @ Wed May 07, 2008 11:28 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
The seal hunt is a cull more so than economic gain for a few individuals.
Then why not just shoot them rather then bash them on the head?
$1:
By your reasoning we should stop eating meat.
How the hell do you come to this conclusion? What I've said, and I thought I was quite clear, was that the disgust directed at the death of these ducks seems overblown considering what we do to other animals in the pursuit of profit.
$1:
The deaths of those ducks was not necessary and clearly avoidable.
I don't disagree with that, never have.
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Has anybody ever told you to eat shit....
Wow, are you getting a 15 year old to post for you?
SORRY i thought it was better than telling her to go fuck herself.
Oh, I'm shocked. Did you drop the *f* bomb. Good thing mommy didn't see that.
But thanks for demonstrating to all here what a lightweight you are.
a dead animal killed for food is called the life cycle, a dead animal caused by a companies complacency is a crime.