Iran said willing to attack U.S. soil
jeff744 @ Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:07 pm
martin14 martin14:
jeff744 jeff744:
Actually, I did answer, up to 50% can be used in a nuclear reactor (generally naval reactors), up to 30% is more common though (Fermi 1 used ~26%). Now you explain why no evidence has yet been found proving Iran has a nuclear program.
quote me your source for that please.
On second thought, it isnt needed. A nuclear sub is an offensive weapon,
something the Iranians say they dont want, so how could they develop it ?
Jeff, wake up a bit.
A CIVILIAN nuclear power plant uses uranium enriched to between
3
to
5
%
not 20, not 30, not 50............................... maximum 5 %
so, now...
you can explain to me why the Iranians continue to enrich uranium
when they obviously dont need to.
Medical Isotopes (which I believe are in short supply worldwide) and/or a research reactor. There's one reason, now give me a well thought out reason Iran would risk getting its ass blown up to build a nuke while still allowing IAEA inspections. You also dodged my own previous question.
All you have used is speculation for which there can be a million answers, maybe the government wants more votes which they get for having the program, maybe Iran wanted to be listed as a nuclear power, maybe Iran wants the ability to export, hell, maybe Iran just wants to fuck with people like you.
ahhh the moronic personal attack.. sign you are just about done here.
Medical Isotopes 
obviously you have never been outside Canada.
Go to an Iranian hospital, see how well stocked they are to fight the flu,
never mind isotopes.. rich countries only.
A research reactor... but the Iranian government, who according to you is
incapable of lying, says they want CIVILIAN power only.
Never heard them talk about research reactors.
You are using speculation and some wiki bullshit to try and defend what
you cannot defend:
For an NPP, Iran doesnt need to enrich uranium beyond a maximum of 5%
Even you, the parrot for the Iranian mullahs, admit they have gone higher.
Why ?
Never mind all the resolutions and twisting regarding inspections,
disclosures, and the rest of it, all documented by the IAEA.
There is only one reason for enrichment beyond 5%.
jeff744 @ Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:20 pm
martin14 martin14:
ahhh the moronic personal attack.. sign you are just about done here.
Medical Isotopes

obviously you have never been outside Canada.
Go to an Iranian hospital, see how well stocked they are to fight the flu,
never mind isotopes.. rich countries only.
A research reactor... but the Iranian government, who according to you is
incapable of lying, says they want CIVILIAN power only.
Never heard them talk about research reactors.
You are using speculation and some wiki bullshit to try and defend what
you cannot defend:
For an NPP, Iran doesnt need to enrich uranium beyond a maximum of 5%
Even you, the parrot for the Iranian mullahs, admit they have gone higher.
Why ?
Never mind all the resolutions and twisting regarding inspections,
disclosures, and the rest of it, all documented by the IAEA.
There is only one reason for enrichment beyond 5%.
Last I checked the prices were nice and high for those Isotopes, it also looks really damned good for the the very pro-nuclear Iranian people when suddenly your government officially becomes able to produce HEU.
Oh, and BTW, Iran already has a research Reactor. Oh, and another part about it? Medical Isotopes.
$1:
Iranian officials said the country began in 2010 processing low enriched uranium to a 20 percent purity level as it needed to secure fuel for its research reactor, which produces medical isotopes for cancer patients. Enriched uranium can fuel a reactor or, enriched to higher degrees, form the core of a bomb.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-3 ... -says.html
jeff744 jeff744:
it also looks really damned good for the the very pro-nuclear Iranian people when suddenly your government officially becomes able to produce HEU.
oh yes, good for bombs too.
$1:
Oh, and BTW, Iran already has a research Reactor. Oh, and another part about it? Medical Isotopes.
oh I see the Iranians are coming out with new developments in nuclear physics
every month now.
And they are going to use 7200 centrifuges for isotopes.....
Only you could believe that.
jeff744 @ Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:54 pm
martin14 martin14:
jeff744 jeff744:
it also looks really damned good for the the very pro-nuclear Iranian people when suddenly your government officially becomes able to produce HEU.
oh yes, good for bombs too.
You have yet to prove they want bombs despite my repeated requests for it.
$1:
$1:
Oh, and BTW, Iran already has a research Reactor. Oh, and another part about it? Medical Isotopes.
oh I see the Iranians are coming out with new developments in nuclear physics
every month now.
And they are going to use 7200 centrifuges for isotopes.....
Only you could believe that.
How many countries in the world with research reactors come out with regular innovations? A scientist can spend almost their entire life trying to prove a single theory. At most we will see Iran develop things the world forces them to build on their own despite the rest of us having access to it. Iran has been using the reactor for almost two decades on LEU, now they finally have HEU to expand their research.
Now, show me something beyond mere theories that Iran is after nuclear weapons. I have a theory that you believe anything your government tells you, doesn't mean it is true.
check the IAEA site, the entire section only on Iran.
Keep in mind it isn't a US puppet, despite what you think.
Enough proof they are hiding something.
IAEA Reports, only about Iran.
Waiting, delays, misinformation, no answers to requests.
You are the only one here who thinks this is proof that Iran isnt working
on a bomb.
2011
IAEA Board Report , 18 November 2011
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 2 September 2011
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 24 May 2011
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 25 February 2011
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2010
IAEA Board Report, 23 November 2010
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 6 September 2010
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 31 May 2010
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 18 February 2010
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2009
IAEA Board Report, 16 November 2009
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 28 August 2009
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 5 June 2009
-- Arabic | Chinese | French (Corrigendum) | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 19 February 2009
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2008
IAEA Board Report, 19 November 2008
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 15 September 2008
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 26 May 2008
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 22 February 2008
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2007
IAEA Board Report, 15 November 2007
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 30 August 2007
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
and Corrigendum, 7 September 2007
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 23 May 2007
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 22 February 2007
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 9 February 2007
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2006
IAEA Board Report, 14 November 2006
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 31 August 2006
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 8 June 2006
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 28 April 2006
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 27 February 2006
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2005
IAEA Board Report, 18 November 2005
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 2 September 2005
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2004
IAEA Board Report, 15 November 2004
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 1 September 2004
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 1 June 2004
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
and Corrigendum, 18 June 2004
-- Arabic (Corr.) | Chinese (Corr.) | French (Corr.) | Russian (Corr.) | Spanish (Corr.) [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 13 March 2004 [pdf]
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
2003
IAEA Board Report, 10 November 2003 [pdf]
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 26 August 2003 [pdf]
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
IAEA Board Report, 6 June 2003 [pdf]
-- Arabic | Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish [pdf]
martin14 martin14:
ahhh the moronic personal attack.. sign you are just about done here.
Medical Isotopes

obviously you have never been outside Canada.
Go to an Iranian hospital, see how well stocked they are to fight the flu,
never mind isotopes.. rich countries only.
A research reactor... but the Iranian government, who according to you is
incapable of lying, says they want CIVILIAN power only.
Never heard them talk about research reactors.
You are using speculation and some wiki bullshit to try and defend what
you cannot defend:
For an NPP, Iran doesnt need to enrich uranium beyond a maximum of 5%
Even you, the parrot for the Iranian mullahs, admit they have gone higher.
Why ?
Never mind all the resolutions and twisting regarding inspections,
disclosures, and the rest of it, all documented by the IAEA.
There is only one reason for enrichment beyond 5%.
Heavy water reactors now only require 1-2% enriched U-235 even, so 5% is the absolute max for an NPP for sure.
Whereas weapons grade is around 85%, although a nuke can be built with substantially less than 85% enriched material.
As far as research reactors go, 20% is the maximum end of the enrichment scale.
So to say there's only one reason for enrichment beyond 5% isn't entirely correct.
That being said, there is no current,
peaceful reason to seek enrichment beyond 20%....except...if they are developing a fast reactor (which is kind'a scary in of itself) as 20% I believe is the minimum requirement for enriched fuel in a fast reactor.
andyt @ Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:57 am
Thanos Thanos:
The bigger problem is that the US and Israel probably haven't learned a thing since 2003. They'll combine their false intelligence, their own internal politics, and take the Iranian propaganda at face value. All in all it'll eventually result in a repeat of the Iraq invasion, another total bollocks that in hindsight will be seen as completely unjustifiable. "WMD's! OMG! OMG! OMG!" will rapidly turn "sandpaper to attract all the terrorist to the one location" and then into "nation building" and "giving democracy a chance to thrive". I can hardly believe that the odds are no less than 50-50 that we're going to see the same slo-mo disaster that happened in Iraq unfold again in Iran with the only difference being that it occurred a decade apart. Dick Cheney legacy with the "1% chance" nonsense he left behind him is going to haunt US foreign policy for the next thirty years like an uncurable case of herpes.

Who's going to give them the money to pay for it?
1Peg @ Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:57 am
jeff744 jeff744:
martin14 martin14:
you dont know what enrichment is, or what it is used for....
Make the specific uranium isotope more concentrated by removing less wanted ones. I also know that unless you want a shitty bomb that probably won't work you better get around 80% enrichment, Iran is at 20% (just barely HEU) while up to about 50% is entirely acceptable for peaceful purposes.
10 % is acceptable for peaceful purposes... This is what all the hype is about...
1Peg @ Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:28 am
jeff744 jeff744:
You have yet to prove they want bombs despite my repeated requests for it.
Jeff, you said it yourself, Iran is a peaceful nation. Why would Iran need to have the Sajjil-2 missile that has a range of 2400 km's? US carrier battle groups operate well within that range
Just recently Iran test fired a long range missile, why?
Why is Iran enriching uranium beyond 10 %? It's not economical to do so. Unless of course it's not for civilian purposes, like you claim.
Canada, which has a peaceful nuclear program doesn't have any enrichment facilities. Our uranium is a high grade and doesn't need to be enriched... Why can't Iran do the same? The offer has been put out there.
1Peg 1Peg:
jeff744 jeff744:
You have yet to prove they want bombs despite my repeated requests for it.
Jeff, you said it yourself, Iran is a peaceful nation. Why would Iran need to have the Sajjil-2 missile that has a range of 2400 km's? US carrier battle groups operate well within that range
Just recently Iran test fired a long range missile, why?
Why is Iran enriching uranium beyond 10 %? It's not economical to do so. Unless of course it's not for civilian purposes, like you claim.
Canada, which has a peaceful nuclear program doesn't have any enrichment facilities. Our uranium is a high grade and doesn't need to be enriched... Why can't Iran do the same? The offer has been put out there.
Because their uranium needs enrichment and ever since their HEU supplies were cut off they have had a reason not to become entirely reliant on the west for uranium again. Iran has said it it open to talks but it's not talks when the west just says "no enrichment" and refuses to listen to compromise. Hell, Iran outright said they would compromise and then Bush just decided to say no enrichment, ending any chance of a compromise.
Thanos @ Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:26 am
andyt andyt:
Thanos Thanos:
The bigger problem is that the US and Israel probably haven't learned a thing since 2003. They'll combine their false intelligence, their own internal politics, and take the Iranian propaganda at face value. All in all it'll eventually result in a repeat of the Iraq invasion, another total bollocks that in hindsight will be seen as completely unjustifiable. "WMD's! OMG! OMG! OMG!" will rapidly turn "sandpaper to attract all the terrorist to the one location" and then into "nation building" and "giving democracy a chance to thrive". I can hardly believe that the odds are no less than 50-50 that we're going to see the same slo-mo disaster that happened in Iraq unfold again in Iran with the only difference being that it occurred a decade apart. Dick Cheney legacy with the "1% chance" nonsense he left behind him is going to haunt US foreign policy for the next thirty years like an uncurable case of herpes.

Who's going to give them the money to pay for it?
They'll find the money somewhere. Probably take it out of infrastructure or education or public health of some other Rooseveltian Communist sorta things.
Thanos Thanos:
They'll find the money somewhere. Probably take it out of infrastructure or education or public health of some other Rooseveltian Communist sorta things.

Basically it's a "they're going to do it anyways, we might as well make sure they don't hurt anyone else" situation.
BRAH @ Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:43 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
BRAH BRAH:
Iran's ruling Mullahs care more about survival than anything else and know they would be wiped off the face of the Earth so these threats of possible attacks will never happen..
Many of the clerics and their lackeys running the place, are the types of fanatics who think,'If I'm going down, I'm taking as many down with me before I go'
There's two sides of the ruling powers in Iran, the fanatics you pointed out and those who care about survival more than what's best for Allah..
BRAH @ Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:51 pm
Thanos Thanos:
BRAH BRAH:
Iran's ruling Mullahs care more about survival than anything else and know they would be wiped off the face of the Earth so these threats of possible attacks will never happen..
Correct. In autocracies and other dictatorships it's essential for the rulers to portray themselves as much tougher and better armed than they actually are. If Saddam had allowed the UN inspectors full access to Iraq he'd probably still be alive and in charge right now. Local rules though said he had to make himself out to be far more dangerous than he turned out to be in reality. It's probably identical in Iran, where Mahmoud gets to play the tough guy while the imams in the background are there for the "good cop" role when the time comes.
The bigger problem is that the US and Israel probably haven't learned a thing since 2003. They'll combine their false intelligence, their own internal politics, and take the Iranian propaganda at face value. All in all it'll eventually result in a repeat of the Iraq invasion, another total bollocks that in hindsight will be seen as completely unjustifiable. "WMD's! OMG! OMG! OMG!" will rapidly turn "sandpaper to attract all the terrorist to the one location" and then into "nation building" and "giving democracy a chance to thrive". I can hardly believe that the odds are no less than 50-50 that we're going to see the same slo-mo disaster that happened in Iraq unfold again in Iran with the only difference being that it occurred a decade apart. Dick Cheney legacy with the "1% chance" nonsense he left behind him is going to haunt US foreign policy for the next thirty years like an uncurable case of herpes.

A Nuclear Iran can't be allowed to happen not just because they would become a threat to the West but they would also be a greater threat to their own people. If Iran chooses to crack down on the oposition once and for all telling the West to mind their own business by not forcing their Nuclear hand they will.