Locally made Japanese cars beating out domestics
Newsbot @ Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:03 pm
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<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-04-23 07:59:00
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mtbr @ Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:03 pm
What a surprise!
stemmer @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:56 am
So sad...when will Canada and the US demand the easy access to Japan's domestic markets that we allow Japan access to ours. It's time we demand Japan level the playing field...and stop it's protectionism...
hurley_108 @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:59 am
stemmer stemmer:
So sad...when will Canada and the US demand the easy access to Japan's domestic markets that we allow Japan access to ours. It's time we demand Japan level the playing field...and stop it's protectionism...
I suspect it would make little difference. Why buy a foreign POS when you can buy domestic quality?
BartSimpson @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:04 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
stemmer stemmer:
So sad...when will Canada and the US demand the easy access to Japan's domestic markets that we allow Japan access to ours. It's time we demand Japan level the playing field...and stop it's protectionism...
I suspect it would make little difference. Why buy a foreign POS when you can buy domestic quality?
Because the US/Canadian cars, if protected from the effective 200% import tariff the Japanese place on our cars then our cars would be much cheaper in Japan than Japanese cars - whose prices are kept artificially high due to a lack of competition.
Myself, I've long advocated sectoral reciprocity on trade as opposed to crappy free trade agreements.
Meaning that if they effectively tax our imports at 200% we do the same to theirs.
Whatever their trade laws are as applied to us, we take their laws and apply them to their products.
If they want fair trade then they have to make their own laws fair, too.
mtbr @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:07 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
stemmer stemmer:
So sad...when will Canada and the US demand the easy access to Japan's domestic markets that we allow Japan access to ours. It's time we demand Japan level the playing field...and stop it's protectionism...
I suspect it would make little difference. Why buy a foreign POS when you can buy domestic quality?
sums it up....the domestic manufactures can keep dening the fact they don't build what customers want.
It has nothing to do with the price as these cars are always more expensive than the
domestics. That excuse about having a price advantage is absolute bullshit.
commanderkai @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:12 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
stemmer stemmer:
So sad...when will Canada and the US demand the easy access to Japan's domestic markets that we allow Japan access to ours. It's time we demand Japan level the playing field...and stop it's protectionism...
I suspect it would make little difference. Why buy a foreign POS when you can buy domestic quality?
Because the US/Canadian cars, if protected from the effective 200% import tariff the Japanese place on our cars then our cars would be much cheaper in Japan than Japanese cars - whose prices are kept artificially high due to a lack of competition.
Myself, I've long advocated sectoral reciprocity on trade as opposed to crappy free trade agreements.
Meaning that if they effectively tax our imports at 200% we do the same to theirs.
Whatever their trade laws are as applied to us, we take their laws and apply them to their products.
If they want fair trade then they have to make their own laws fair, too.
That sounds like something I read in a Tom Clancy book. However I agree with you, protectionism sucks, and those who protect their industry should be punished for it
BartSimpson @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:40 am
commanderkai commanderkai:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
stemmer stemmer:
So sad...when will Canada and the US demand the easy access to Japan's domestic markets that we allow Japan access to ours. It's time we demand Japan level the playing field...and stop it's protectionism...
I suspect it would make little difference. Why buy a foreign POS when you can buy domestic quality?
Because the US/Canadian cars, if protected from the effective 200% import tariff the Japanese place on our cars then our cars would be much cheaper in Japan than Japanese cars - whose prices are kept artificially high due to a lack of competition.
Myself, I've long advocated sectoral reciprocity on trade as opposed to crappy free trade agreements.
Meaning that if they effectively tax our imports at 200% we do the same to theirs.
Whatever their trade laws are as applied to us, we take their laws and apply them to their products.
If they want fair trade then they have to make their own laws fair, too.
That sounds like something I read in a Tom Clancy book. However I agree with you, protectionism sucks, and those who protect their industry should be punished for it
Yes, indeed. It was mentioned in Debt of Honor but the principle predates the 1994 book by quite a long time. For instance...
http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/ECO/1991/ch10_p3.htm
$1:
In the 1980s this concept was used to buttress several so-called sectoral reciprocity proposals. These proposals would have required the U.S. government to restrict access to the U.S. market for any major trading partner, on a sector-by-sector basis, if that partner denied U.S. exports comparable market opportunities.
stemmer @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:46 am
A good example of Japan's protectionism is the fact Japanese love American baseball yet make it very difficult for the US to export baseball equipment to Japan.
Canadians moan and complain about these minor trade squables with the US yet both (Canada & US) bend over backwards and take it up the arse for Japan!
I'm for trade with Japan but only if it is fair and reciprocal trade.
mtbr @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:58 am
stemmer stemmer:
A good example of Japan's protectionism is the fact Japanese love American baseball yet make it very difficult for the US to export baseball equipment to Japan.
Canadians moan and complain about these minor trade squables with the US yet both (Canada & US) bend over backwards and take it up the arse for Japan!
I'm for trade with Japan but only if it is fair and reciprocal trade.
Canadians moan and complain about these minor trade squables with the US yet both (Canada & US) bend over backwards and take it up the arse for Japan!
I'm for trade with Japan but only if it is fair and reciprocal trade.
IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!! nobody wants to buy our shit
YOUR_DEAD @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:35 pm
Their market share is increasing because they make a better product.
sandorski @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:58 pm
YOUR_DEAD YOUR_DEAD:
Their market share is increasing because they make a better product.
Pretty much. That said, Japan should certainly allow Foreign Autos into their Market without the huge Tarrifs. I doubt it would lead to a huge difference in Auto Sales, but at least it gives a fair chance to American Auto Makers. Some North American made Autos would likely be able to compete.
BartSimpson @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:02 pm
sandorski sandorski:
YOUR_DEAD YOUR_DEAD:
Their market share is increasing because they make a better product.
Pretty much. That said, Japan should certainly allow Foreign Autos into their Market without the huge Tarrifs. I doubt it would lead to a huge difference in Auto Sales, but at least it gives a fair chance to American Auto Makers. Some North American made Autos would likely be able to compete.
Very fair of you - thank you!
travior @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:29 pm
It is truely amazing how we allow China to dump all this crap into the states basically duty-free and allow them to have 70-100% tarrifs on the stuff we are allowed to sell there. No wonder there is such a huge trade imbalance. Yet if we talk about raising tarrifs the World Trade Org threatens to take action against us.
My company just recently built a plant in China to manufacture food packaging. They were hoping to get a foothold in the country as the local middle-class began to want more food options. Right now, they still go to the market every day to get fresh meat since refrigeration is almost unheard of. After the plant was built and production began, the government told them that they would not be allowed to sell anything in China and that 100% of the goods made had to be exported.
China: your Wal-mart dollars at work!
stemmer @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:07 pm
Too bad Ron Paul lost the Republican leadership. He was promising to do something about these unfair trade policies by nations like China, Japan, etc.... I'm hoping whoever is the next President will do his utmost to rectify this horrendous situation...
I believe Paul believed enough money could be collected from tariffs that income tax could be done away with.