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It's not a human being at that point, IMO.

   

Then define human being. Are Alzheimer's patients human beings? Are quadruple amputees? Are coma patients?

If you're for the right to an abortion (which I am, though I don't particularly like abortion), you need to be OK with the mother killing off the human being she's carrying when she chooses to, and not go though linguistic gymnastics to make yourself feel better.

   

It's a potential human being at the zygote stage. I have no problem with killing it off. As I've said, limit non-medially necessary abortions to the first trimester. The people you described are certainly human beings. I am in favor of euthanasia tho.

   

How is it a "potential human being?" What magic happens at your arbitrarily chosen time of three months that makes the fetus a human being?

   

No, magic. It's an arbitrarily chosen time because we need one. Better yet would be 8 weeks, when the embryo becomes a fetus, but that would create too many problems.

   

I'd rep you if I could.

   

I actually agree with Dan too - except for the zygote thing. I don't see a zygote as a human being, but can't give you some hard number of when it becomes one. But yes, abortion is killing life, no two ways about it, but is the lesser of two evils.

   

If life begins at fertilization, how can we freeze them, waiting for women to have them implanted? Are we suggesting that every fertilized egg in a petri dish is life that should be saved?

   

You always compare apples to oranges?

Most people with illness don't actively take part in what causes the illness, well at least not knowingly.

As for those that do take part in activities that cause the illness...mt opinion is back of the bus. If resources are available you can get treated, if not SOL.

Nobody has ever (unless you strongly believe in the bible) gotten pregnant from not having sex or taking part in sexual activity.

Aside from those that have had sexual activity forced upon them, the rest are just absolving themselves of the consequences of their actions. There should be no reason why we can't call a spade a spade.

   

Scientifically speaking, life does begin at fertilization, when genetic material from the male and female gametes combine into chromosome pairs. That is as scientific a fact as gravity. The question is, which life is worthy of protection under the law? I don't think unwanted frozen embryos are worthy of that protection, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking frozen embryos aren't life.

   

Fortunately we don't have to make that decision because this ballot measure was defeated last night in Mississippi.

   

Nobody said they weren't life. I don't see them as human beings. But I am willing to kill human beings - withdrawing life support for instance, or assisted suicide. And in cases how where they just withdraw food and let the person starve to death, I think actively killing the person would be much more humane.

   

Excellent point! An old saying: "Never count your chickens before they hatch."

   

Well, that is what I meant.
When is it legally considered life?
Is it legally considered life at conception and should all petri dish embryo's have the same rights you and I have, or does it start at birth?


(I'm sorry, I realized I just said the same you did.. I'm just thinking out loud )

   

Those aren't fertilized tho.
That would mean that if we would call a carton of eggs a dozen chickens, every woman is guilty of murder the moment she menstruates! WHAT!!

   

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