NDP will double carbon levy by 2017
Lemmy Lemmy:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
That's interesting because the Conference Board of Canada states that Ontario’s grade on income per capita has slowly declined since the early 1980s. We are actually behind the national average and given a "C" grade when it comes to Income per Capita. Not to mention chronically high fiscal deficits and rising debt levels have made it difficult for the province to invest much more in education and innovation, factors that are crucial to productivity growth and an improved standard of living.
As for the unemployment rate not going up, is that including all the McJobs that only pay minimum rage? 'Cuz there's a difference between being employed and being gainfully employed.
You didn't read the Conference Board page very well. Isolate Ontario and look at the graph. Getting a "C" doesn't mean that per capita income hasn't gone up. It has. People who lost factory work got new, better paying jobs, service jobs; not the McJobs you speak of, which is work that continues to be done by new arrivals and teenagers. We signed free trade deals in the '80s and the primary reason for entering those deals was to ship dirty, shitty industrial jobs elsewhere and move our labour force into cleaner, better paying jobs. That process is ongoing. But using your ever-so-academic Google search, you'll see that the Conference Board reports that per capita income in Ontario has gone from $23K in 1992 to $36.5K in 2015, and that's adjusted for inflation. Sorry you think that people making an extra $13K per year, on average means they're less gainfully employed than in the 1980s.

I did read the page. It was VERY specific when it said Ontario's per capita income has steadily DECREASED SINCE THE 80s, and we ARE BELOW the national average! I'm sorry you think that you know more than the Conference Board of Canada.
andyt @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:02 am
I call bullshit. Link please.
Reading your own initial comment, it seems much more likely that relative per capita income has declined compared to Canada as a whole.
Lemmy @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:06 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
I did read the page. It was VERY specific when it said Ontario's per capita income has steadily DECREASED SINCE THE 80s, and we ARE BELOW the national average! I'm sorry you think that you know more than the Conference Board of Canada.
Uhh, no it doesn't say that. The numbers I posted were directly from the page you cited!
http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/economy/income-per-capita.aspxOn the region tab (on right) select Ontario. 1982 = $23,853; 2013 = $36,445, all adjusted to 2005 US$. So how is that "steadily decreasing"? The graph is positively sloped. How is that "steadily decreasing"? Maybe leave the economics to economists.
andyt @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:09 am
What is actually says is that
$1:
Ontario’s grade on income per capita has slowly declined since the early 1980s
Ie it's relative position has declined.
QBall QBall:
Yes it's easy to see why one would mistaken Neil Peart for a machine as it's hard to believe any human can do what he does, but it's all him in Subdivisions
I was joking. He's a pretty incredible drummer.
andyt andyt:
What is actually says is that
$1:
Ontario’s grade on income per capita has slowly declined since the early 1980s
Ie it's relative position has declined.
It also says this:
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Ontario’s grade for per capita income has gradually declined since the early 1980s, reflecting the changing fortunes of the province’s economy. Ontario earned “A” and “B” grades in the 1980s and “B” grades in the early 1990s, but has subsequently slipped to “C” grades. Ontario’s real GDP growth has slowed since the 1980s as the province has had to deal with the negative impact on the province’s manufacturing sector of unstable U.S. growth, globalization, and a higher loonie. Also, chronically high fiscal deficits and rising debt levels have made it difficult for the province to invest much more in education and innovation—factors that are crucial to productivity growth and an improved standard of living.
But hey, one more dollar means things are increasing and everything is ok,
according to the 'economist' at the Farmer's college.
Shall we do unemployment now ?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... e19562032/$1:
Unemployment rate climbs to 7.1% as Ontario hit hard
Ontario, which lost 34,000 jobs last month, was a sore spot in the report, adding to the pressure on the recently re-elected government of Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne.
Manufacturing in Ontario, which lost another 13,600 jobs, is now at its lowest point on records dating back to 1976, Mr. Porter noted.
Ontario Economic Development Minister Brad Duguid promised to do more for the manufacturing sector in the wake of June’s grim job numbers.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ontario-yo ... -1.1473423$1:
Report: The Young and the Jobless - Youth Unemployment in Ontario
The 2013 unemployment rate for Ontario youth between the ages of 15 and 24 ranged between 16 and 17.1 per cent, higher than the average Canadian range of 13.5 to 14.5 per cent.
In 2012, Ontario's youth unemployment rate of 16.9 per cent was among the worst in the Great Lakes region, rivalling Michigan and higher than rates in Quebec, Indiana, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Ontario's monthly youth employment rate – a measure that determines how many young people actually have jobs – fluctuated between 50 to 52 per cent, meaning half of all Ontario youth don't have jobs.
Toronto's youth unemployment rate is 18.1 per cent and its employment rate is 43.5 per cent -- the worst of any region in the province.
Toronto has the widest gap between youth and adult employment in the province, with a difference of 21.8 per cent – the highest it's ever been.
Windsor, Oshawa, Brantford and London are youth unemployment "hotspots," with rates similar to those in the EU, hovering above 20 per cent.
Youth employment rates in Sudbury, Waterloo and Hamilton are above the national rate.
The study argues that these statistics are not simply the byproduct of the 2008 global economic crisis, but instead come from a "strong structural component" within the province's labour market.
What's worse, the report says, there's no sign of these trends abating anytime soon.
"Ontario's youth joblessness problem isn't simply a post-recession hangover -- it's becoming chronic," study author Sean Geobey said in a statement.
Remember, Lamey claimed unemployment hasn't gone up.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... cle651518/You can look for yourself.
And, this beauty:
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Can Canada Prosper without a Prosperous Ontario?
Di Matteo, Clemens, and Palacios
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Fraser Institute 2014
fraser
institute
.org
Summary
Ontario’s economic struggles, which are most dramatically illustrated by its tran
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sition to a “have-not” province, have implications far beyond the borders of the
province. For the better part of a decade, and particularly since the recession of
2008/09, Ontario’s economic performance has dragged down that of the national
economy. Due to both the sheer size of Ontario’s economy and its population, as
well as the fact that the Canadian economy is highly integrated, what happens in
Ontario influences our national economy.
The important influence of Ontario on the national economy is borne out
by statistics. For example, if we compare the variation in per-capita GDP growth
for Canada (without Ontario) against the variation in Ontario for the period from
1982 to 2012, we find that the variation in Ontario explains roughly three quarters
of the variation in the rest of the national economy. Simply put, for the better part
of three decades, the success of Canada’s economy was inextricably linked with the
success and failure of Ontario’s economy.
Ontario’s influence is also seen in employment statistics. About two thirds
of the variation in employment growth in the rest of Canada between 1982 and
2012 is explained by the variation in employment growth in Ontario. In other
words, Canada experienced strong employment growth when Ontario experi
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enced strong employment growth, and vice versa.
Unfortunately, Ontario’s under-performance since the early 2000s—and
particularly since the recession of 2008/09—has been dragging down our nation
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al performance. Across a whole host of economic indicators, Ontario is simply
not performing at the national average, let alone filling its traditional role as a
foundation for the national economy. From 1981 to 2004, Ontario’s real per-capita
GDP (a broad measure of income) was either above or equal to the rest of Canada.
A slow-down in per-capita GDP growth began in Ontario after 2000 and, starting
in 2005, Ontario’s real per-capita GDP fell below that of the rest of Canada. In
2004, Ontario’s real per-capita GDP was 0.36% higher than the rest of Canada.
By 2012, Ontario’s real per-capita GDP was 5.6% lower than the rest of Canada.
Indeed, in 2012, if data for Ontario were excluded, Canada’s per-capita GDP would
be 2.2% higher.
Can't wait to pay an extra $0.10 a Liter on gas for this, if I'm wrong maybe someone from BC can correct me if that's to low.
At least their not messing with personal income tax. 
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
Can't wait to pay an extra $0.10 a Liter on gas for this, if I'm wrong maybe someone from BC can correct me if that's to low.
It is.
Today:136 in Vancouver.
128 in the interior
109 in Calgary.
http://www.gasbuddy.com/
Keep in mind that Lemmy thinks that things in Ontario are going quite well right now under the watchful eye of the Liberal government.
herbie @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:52 pm
$1.039 at Costco in Prince George, $1.189 in the area.
About 4c is carbon tax. Almost as much as the oil companies will gouge you overnight if the dollar even farts 1/10 of a cent.
OMG the world's gonna end.
andyt @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:10 pm
In Alberta they don't have and wont' have a carbon tax like ours. It's a levy on large ghg producers. Since our gas apparently comes from the states, doubt this will make and diff at the pump. Just the usual gouging by the refineries.
andyt andyt:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
Another bullshit way of saying that they are going to increase taxes, period. This is an effective way to reduce atmospheric carbon? By extracting more money out of us to dump into general revenues?
The NDP had better think a lot deeper than "carbon tax" if they really want to do something about carbon emissions.
Really? Certainly worked in BC. What's your solution, genius.
Taking money away from people has reduced carbon emissions in BC?
Yeah.
Right.
andyt @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:44 pm
It didn't. The tax was revenue neutral. Just shifted it to carbon - you want to save money, you use less carbon. Much better deal that working more and paying more tax on it.
Again, what are your deep thoughts about reducing ghgs?
andyt andyt:
Again, what are your deep thoughts about reducing ghgs?
Get rid of the greenhouses.
andyt @ Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:53 pm
The first joke was good, but you're slipping here.