OPINION: Lock up the addicts until they're clean
Newsbot @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:13 pm
Title: OPINION: Lock up the addicts until they're clean
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2009-06-04 07:22:50
Canadian
romanP @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:13 pm
Where is the logic in putting addicts in a place where they'll just get more drugs, make friends with more drug users and dealers alike, little actual help with recovery, and have the poor state of mind that turned them to coke and heroin in the place reinforced.
Oh yeah, there isn't any.
romanP @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:17 pm
$1:
To keep someone in a Canadian prison costs nearly three times what it costs to treat an addict at Welcome Home, which is funded primarily by former United Furniture Warehouse owner John Volken.
And here's the proof.
The author of this article is an idiot. He says it costs triple to keep an addict in prison, while complaining about paying taxes for treatment and recovery. Well, which one is it?
Yogi @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:29 pm
I could easily 'get behind' a program such as Arsenault describes.
romanP @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:32 pm
Why? Did you completely ignore the part where he says it costs three times as much to keep someone in prison than it does to put them through rehab? It's in the article, and I quoted it here too.
Yogi @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:38 pm
romanP romanP:
Why? Did you completely ignore the part where he says it costs three times as much to keep someone in prison than it does to put them through rehab? It's in the article, and I quoted it here too.
What the hell are YOU talking about? Or do you even know???
Al Arsenault advocates 'a program of detoxification and rehabilitation' which costs $24,000 per year as opposed to prison which costs three times as much!
READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN!
Bodah @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:29 pm
$1:
There are those who say we have no right to force people to get their addictions treated, that doing so violates their civil rights.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Makes sense to me.
Ottawa had/has a bad crack problem their soloution ? free crack pipes.
raydan @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:30 pm
Bodah Bodah:
$1:
There are those who say we have no right to force people to get their addictions treated, that doing so violates their civil rights.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Makes sense to me.
Ottawa had/has a bad crack problem their soloution ? free crack pipes.
If you're a sex addict, do you get that free too?
Bodah @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:33 pm
raydan raydan:
If you're a sex addict, do you get that free too?
hehe, I love fishing, Alot. Maybe too much. I keep on losing lures. I have to break into houses to buy more. Maybe they should I should get free lures.
romanP @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:38 pm
Yogi Yogi:
romanP romanP:
Why? Did you completely ignore the part where he says it costs three times as much to keep someone in prison than it does to put them through rehab? It's in the article, and I quoted it here too.
What the hell are YOU talking about? Or do you even know???
Al Arsenault advocates 'a program of detoxification and rehabilitation' which costs $24,000 per year as opposed to prison which costs three times as much!
READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN!
Throughout the entire article, all he talks about is how great it would be if we could just put drug addicts in jail. It's even in the title of the article. You read it again.
romanP @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:41 pm
Bodah Bodah:
$1:
There are those who say we have no right to force people to get their addictions treated, that doing so violates their civil rights.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Makes sense to me.
Ottawa had/has a bad crack problem their soloution ? free crack pipes.
Clean crack pipes keep crack smokers from getting infected from sharing pipes. There are always going to be people who smoke crack, no matter how many people you get into rehab. So why not make it less of a burden on the health care system?
Yogi @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:44 pm
At the Welcome Home Society in Surrey, where addicts spend an average of two years getting clean and preparing to become productive citizens, costs run to about $65 a day per resident, or just under $24,000 a year.
Data on success rates are not available because the facility has been operating on a small scale for four years in preparation for an expansion this summer, says director Len Jahn. But those who have graduated so far have done well, Jahn says.
"They're not drains on society," Jahn says. "They're gainfully employed. They're in good, healthy relationships."
To keep someone in a Canadian prison costs nearly three times what it costs to treat an addict at Welcome Home, which is funded primarily by former United Furniture Warehouse owner John Volken.
It's a safe bet that each untreated addict is costing us way more than $24,000 a year in costs related to theft, health care, policing, welfare, jails and the court system.
And each untreated addict represents not only a personal failure, but the failure of our society to assist human beings who cannot help themselves
Now, go away and let the adults talk!
Bodah @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:02 pm
romanP romanP:
Clean crack pipes keep crack smokers from getting infected from sharing pipes. There are always going to be people who smoke crack, no matter how many people you get into rehab. So why not make it less of a burden on the health care system?
I think if your on skid row, living on the streets, addicted. The last thing these unfortunate people are worried about is smoking a highly addictive & self-destructive drug without a "clean" crack pipe.
Use the money & resources instead for rehab clinics.
commanderkai @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:09 pm
romanP romanP:
Clean crack pipes keep crack smokers from getting infected from sharing pipes. There are always going to be people who smoke crack, no matter how many people you get into rehab. So why not make it less of a burden on the health care system?
And crack itself doesn't create a burden on the health system?
Chumley @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:10 pm
raydan raydan:
Bodah Bodah:
$1:
There are those who say we have no right to force people to get their addictions treated, that doing so violates their civil rights.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Sorry. They lose their right to live as drug addicts when they start using our tax money and stealing our property to pay for their addicted lives. And we have a moral duty to step in and help people unable to cope with their problems, an imperative we are presently failing to achieve.
Makes sense to me.
Ottawa had/has a bad crack problem their soloution ? free crack pipes.
If you're a sex addict, do you get that free too?
Sure, in prison you'll get all the sex you never wanted
