Opposition allied with accused murderer
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<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-02-19 12:43:59
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mtbr @ Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:12 pm
Canada owes him shit, I would like to see this one pop up during an election campaign.
stokes @ Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:42 pm
If this man actually killed his entire family then he deserves to die, he willingly moved to the US and is now subject to their laws. If it turns out that he has been wrongly charged in these death than I will be the first to defend him....but as it stands right now I doubt he is innocent!
Chumley @ Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:23 pm
When the three federal opposition leaders lined up last fall to fight the Conservative government's new hardline stance toward Canadians facing the death penalty in other countries, they couldn't have predicted it would land them in the corner of a man accused of killing his wife in an argument over his mistress, and then of killing his four children - 2-year-old twins, a 4-year-old son and 8-year-old daughter - to cover up the first murder.
Of course they could have predicted it. Did they think that all Canadians facing execution abroad were going to be up on minor charges?
a1frenchy @ Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:30 pm
What the hell is wrong with Dion. Layton, and Duceppe that they'll support this killer, but wont do shit for Canadians. Oh, wait I forgot , more publicity in taking care of a killer internationally. WTF ![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?"){kind=icon}
fire_i @ Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:41 pm
Few things to note IMHO :
- Canada opposes death penalty regardless of the circumstances (remember official statements denounced Saddam Hussein's execution, even though he was a monster on all the line) - therefore I see nothing wrong with any politician opposing a Canadian criminal being executed in a foreign country, no matter the crime. Of course it's more a matter of principle than anything else, but that doesn't bother me.
- Presumption of innocence, people... better not see anyone go "OMG he killed his family, dump that shit and refuse any assistance", that'd just be dumb. Sure it's likely he killed them all, but as long as there's reasonable doubt, Canada should support him as it did in previous cases of the genre.
Oh and none of this "lol told you so" bullshit (should the case be). We all know there's a 95% chance he's guilty, so someone who'd gloat he predicted it would just be a moron. 
a1frenchy a1frenchy:
What the hell is wrong with Dion. Layton, and Duceppe that they'll support this killer, but wont do shit for Canadians.
Do you honestly believe they don't give a damn about Canadians (or in Duceppe's case, at least parts of Canada)? :/
a1frenchy @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:32 am
It certainly doesn't appear so, not lately at least. With the current state of affairs here in Canada jobs being lost by the thousands, child poverty, housing shortages declining wages, homelessness, higher cost for consumer goods, stealing from the employment insurance fund to fatten up the budget, and the list goes on. Let me ask you, do you honestly think these assholes give a rat's ass about you? Well no, they have to take care of killers in another country, there's more publicity involved!!! ![[cold]](./images/smilies/cold2.gif "Cold")
stemmer @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:47 am
Just confirms my suspicions... Layton and Dion are idiots....
Alta_redneck @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:20 am
fire_i fire_i:
Few things to note IMHO :
- Canada opposes death penalty regardless of the circumstances (remember official statements denounced Saddam Hussein's execution, even though he was a monster on all the line)
- Canada opposes death penalty regardless of the circumstances (remember official statements denounced Saddam Hussein's execution, even though he was a monster on all the line)
Actually I can't, can you find something to jog my memory on that ? I sure couldn’t.
ryan29 @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:36 pm
there is no sensible reason for the opposition parties to help or support someone accused of killing his entire family . i have no sympathy for him and doubt to many other people do .
let his case go to trial and yet the justice system in Ohio figure out how to punish him , this is no longer canada's problem as crime was commited in US.
Robair @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:49 pm
Harper and company are the idiots here. So now the government of the day gets to decide who is worth saving?? Canada either opposes the death penalty or it doesn't. You can't have elected officials deciding on a case by case basis. Slippery slope much?
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
ryan29 @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:01 pm
Robair Robair:
Harper and company are the idiots here. So now the government of the day gets to decide who is worth saving?? Canada either opposes the death penalty or it doesn't. You can't have elected officials deciding on a case by case basis. Slippery slope much?
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
well do you really think this guy who is accused of killing his own family is worth saving ?
and we must remember his trial is going to drag on for years , plus appeals . even if convicted he will not be facing the death penalty until at least 10 years from now , more than likely . and by then that state might not even be still using it , so his life is not in jeopardy anytime soon .
isn't that good the poor murder will be alive for a while
Robair @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:13 pm
ryan29 ryan29:
Robair Robair:
Harper and company are the idiots here. So now the government of the day gets to decide who is worth saving?? Canada either opposes the death penalty or it doesn't. You can't have elected officials deciding on a case by case basis. Slippery slope much?
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
well do you really think this guy who is accused of killing his own family is worth saving ?
How about the term "Slippery slope"?
ryan29 ryan29:
and we must remember his trial is going to drag on for years , plus appeals . even if convicted he will not be facing the death penalty until at least 10 years from now , more than likely . and by then that state might not even be still using it , so his life is not in jeopardy anytime soon .
isn't that good the poor murder will be alive for a while
That gives the Canadian government time to come to it's senses.
isn't that good the poor murder will be alive for a while
mtbr @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:19 pm
Robair Robair:
ryan29 ryan29:
Robair Robair:
Harper and company are the idiots here. So now the government of the day gets to decide who is worth saving?? Canada either opposes the death penalty or it doesn't. You can't have elected officials deciding on a case by case basis. Slippery slope much?
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
Canada does not support the death penalty. Save some money and put him in jail for life. (That's right, an execution costs more in the US than life in prison)
well do you really think this guy who is accused of killing his own family is worth saving ?
How about the term "Slippery slope"?
ryan29 ryan29:
and we must remember his trial is going to drag on for years , plus appeals . even if convicted he will not be facing the death penalty until at least 10 years from now , more than likely . and by then that state might not even be still using it , so his life is not in jeopardy anytime soon .
isn't that good the poor murder will be alive for a while
That gives the Canadian government time to come to it's senses.isn't that good the poor murder will be alive for a while
How about the term...stupid Liberal idea....what the hell is it with lefties and criminals?
kenmore @ Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:24 pm
fuck I love it .. they cant do anything for a woman in a mexican jail accused of drug possession but they want to jump on to save this guy... fuck hang him high and carve him up... dont agree with this.. and no mtbr I wont vote tory so forget it.. 