Ottawa cracking down on US deserters
Newsbot @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:20 am
Title: Ottawa cracking down on US deserters
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2010-08-04 06:11:11
Canadian
martin14 @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:20 am
bout time.
CrazyNewfie @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:07 am
I understand this to a point, if you sign up to serve your country then that is the decision you made. BUT, some people are being forced to serve, for a cause they don't believe in or don't believe their military's reasons for being where they are. some people are signng an initial engagement for a number of years, and when they decide it wasn't for them(PTSD or other reasons, like seeing death and destruction everywhere) they are being forced to keep serving (stop loss I believe the americans call it), kind of like the draft, except its called a back door draft.
martin14 @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:12 am
hmm, I dont remember seeing anything in enlistment papers that soldiers were
permitted to pick and chose where and when and what causes they agree with
or dont agree with and I'm going to fight here but not there....
It doesnt work like that, and everyone knows it.
If they are sick, put them in the hospital.
If not, then honor the contract, or sit in jail for breaking it.
We should not be supporting these dishonorable people.
raydan @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:23 am
During the Vietnam war...
$1:
..."Starting in 1965, Canada became a choice haven for American draft resisters and deserters, ...Although some of these transplanted Americans returned home after the Vietnam War, most of them put down roots in Canada, making up the largest, best-educated group this country had ever received."
I cannot find the number of deserters that came to Canada but 20,000 to 30,000 are the estimates for draft-eligible American men.
I know that there's a major different between the 2 wars as Canada was not "involved" in Vietnam except some forces were sent to enforce the Paris Peace Accords.
Anybody remember how American deserters from the Vietnam war were received in Canada?
$1:
In February 2009, "text on how both draft dodgers and resisters of the Vietnam War were ultimately allowed to stay in Canada suddenly vanished from the [ Government of Canada's] Citizenship and Immigration [web]site."
BartSimpson @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:48 am
$1:
..."Starting in 1965, Canada became a choice haven for American draft resisters and deserters, ...Although some of these transplanted Americans returned home after the Vietnam War, most of them put down roots in Canada, making up the largest, best-educated group this country had ever received."
These were also the least loyal and least sacrificing people Canada could hope to have as immigrants.
You were welcome to them then and you're welcome to keep them now. Thank you.
Zipperfish @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:00 am
Vietnam was different--it was a draft. A lot of people weren't crazy about napalming peasants.
Nowadays, tehre is no draft. These guys signed on the dotted line; they should face the consequence of their actions.
raydan @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:07 am
From the information I read, Zipper, there where Vietnam deserters, not just draft dodgers, that came to Canada.
I don't know the details though about how they were received here but from what I understand, there was not much of an effort to send them back.
andyt @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:08 am
raydan raydan:
During the Vietnam war...
I cannot find the number of deserters that came to Canada but 20,000 to 30,000 are the estimates for draft-eligible American men.
I know that there's a major different between the 2 wars as Canada was not "involved" in Vietnam except some forces were sent to enforce the Paris Peace Accords.
Anybody remember how American deserters from the Vietnam war were received in Canada?
$1:
..."Starting in 1965, Canada became a choice haven for American draft resisters and deserters, ...Although some of these transplanted Americans returned home after the Vietnam War, most of them put down roots in Canada, making up the largest, best-educated group this country had ever received."
I cannot find the number of deserters that came to Canada but 20,000 to 30,000 are the estimates for draft-eligible American men.
I know that there's a major different between the 2 wars as Canada was not "involved" in Vietnam except some forces were sent to enforce the Paris Peace Accords.
Anybody remember how American deserters from the Vietnam war were received in Canada?
$1:
In February 2009, "text on how both draft dodgers and resisters of the Vietnam War were ultimately allowed to stay in Canada suddenly vanished from the [ Government of Canada's] Citizenship and Immigration [web]site."
Well, among my group we received them with respect as being against an evil war. Being a war resister gave you cred. We thought it was good to have people joining us who didn't buy the govt propaganda. But mostly the fit right in and people didn't really notice, I would guess. Also the resisters went to larger centers where there would be more sympathy. Doubt if too many settled in Redneck, Alberta.
andyt @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:09 am
raydan raydan:
From the information I read, Zipper, there where Vietnam deserters, not just draft dodgers, that came to Canada.
I don't know the details though about how they were received here but from what I understand, there was not much of an effort to send them back.
I don't know the details though about how they were received here but from what I understand, there was not much of an effort to send them back.
I met the odd deserter too. Some were fucked up freaks, some were OK guys. Lots went to Sweden too.
raydan @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:14 am
andyt andyt:
Well, among my group we received them with respect as being against an evil war. Being a war resister gave you cred. We thought it was good to have people joining us who didn't buy the govt propaganda. But mostly the fit right in and people didn't really notice, I would guess. Also the resisters went to larger centers where there would be more sympathy. Doubt if too many settled in Redneck, Alberta.
"Evil war" is pretty subjective, Andyt.
I'm sure we can find a lot of people, Americans and Canadians alike, that say the same about the Afghan war.
...before going any further, I wan't to make a point that I'm not pro-deserter.
Just wondering about the difference between the Vietnam and Afghan wars in this regard.
andyt @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:17 am
raydan raydan:
"Evil war" is pretty subjective, Andyt.
I'm sure we can find a lot of people, Americans and Canadians alike, that say the same about the Afghan war.
I'm sure we can find a lot of people, Americans and Canadians alike, that say the same about the Afghan war.
Well no kidding. Just as we can find people who will tell you they are great wars of liberation - is their view any less subjective?
martin14 @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:20 am
raydan raydan:
...before going any further, I wan't to make a point that I'm not pro-deserter.
Just wondering about the difference between the Vietnam and Afghan wars in this regard.
Just wondering about the difference between the Vietnam and Afghan wars in this regard.
The fact of people being drafted into Vietnam,
and willingly entering the armed forces currently is huge difference imo.
Zipperfish @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:21 am
raydan raydan:
From the information I read, Zipper, there where Vietnam deserters, not just draft dodgers, that came to Canada.
I don't know the details though about how they were received here but from what I understand, there was not much of an effort to send them back.
I don't know the details though about how they were received here but from what I understand, there was not much of an effort to send them back.
Different era I guess. Probably different laws and treaties with the US. Canada still doesn't do very much to track those on the lam from the law. Our strategy is basically wait till they get pulled over.
sandorski @ Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:27 am
Waste of time and money to worry about another Countries Deserters. We've got more pressing issues.