Parliamentary gridlock sparks election talk
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<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-04-09 08:53:57
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stokes @ Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:12 pm
Lets go...the Gov't as a whole is clearly not working but here is the kicker....When the CPC get re-elected all other parties must play nice and do the best they can as good losers should!!!
hurley_108 @ Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:39 am
The government stands with the confidence of the house. Not the confidence of the senate. Not the confidence of committees. Confidence is given or revoked by a vote in the house of commons. Delays in the senate, and delays in committees don't count.
If Harper wants an election so badly, he should just ignore his own fixed dates and call one.
ridenrain @ Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:10 pm
It's looking like it's working to me.
From what I see, this government has passed what it wanted to and is steaming right ahead on it's next term. The Liberals, when they show up to vote, have been stalling but then the NDP and even the Blok have been looking out for Canadian taxpayers.
stokes @ Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:31 pm
Hey dont get me wrong I am happy that the CPC is the current government, but I think it is ridiculous that they have to bully the other 3 parties in order to accomplish anything and I think that an election would trim some of the stupidy that is known as the opposition allowing the government to operate and deal with the issues not just BS that the Libs spew everyday!
ryan29 @ Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:02 pm
still seems unlikely that there will be an election rate away , as there still is not that issue for the opposition parties to force an election over . and main opposition party liberals seem to have leadership issues and not in a rush for election , if they had a stronger leader they would of went sooner .
ridenrain @ Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:44 pm
This could go in the CTV media bias thread also:
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MPs pass new, tougher animal cruelty bill
Updated Wed. Apr. 9 2008 6:50 PM ET
The Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- The House of Commons has passed animal-cruelty legislation designed to toughen Canada's century-old law.
The bill, introduced by a Liberal senator, passed easily by a vote of 189 to 71, with most Conservative, Bloc Quebecois and many Liberal MPs supporting it.
The NDP and some Liberals opposed it.
Animal welfare groups oppose the bill because they see it as a weak update of a bad law. They say it simply raises the penalties in cruelty cases, and doesn't make it any easier to get convictions. They support a more comprehensive private-member's bill introduced by Liberal MP Mark Holland. Holland's bill would make it easier to prosecute abusers and would offer protection to strays and wildlife.
Updated Wed. Apr. 9 2008 6:50 PM ET
The Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- The House of Commons has passed animal-cruelty legislation designed to toughen Canada's century-old law.
The bill, introduced by a Liberal senator, passed easily by a vote of 189 to 71, with most Conservative, Bloc Quebecois and many Liberal MPs supporting it.
The NDP and some Liberals opposed it.
Animal welfare groups oppose the bill because they see it as a weak update of a bad law. They say it simply raises the penalties in cruelty cases, and doesn't make it any easier to get convictions. They support a more comprehensive private-member's bill introduced by Liberal MP Mark Holland. Holland's bill would make it easier to prosecute abusers and would offer protection to strays and wildlife.
sasquatch2 @ Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:49 pm
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Animal welfare groups oppose the bill because they see it as a weak update of a bad law. They say it simply raises the penalties in cruelty cases, and doesn't make it any easier to get convictions. They support a more comprehensive private-member's bill introduced by Liberal MP Mark Holland. Holland's bill would make it easier to prosecute abusers and would offer protection to strays and wildlife.
Yeah they had a trojan horse BILL which would simply make killing an animal an offence.
It got to committee where an amendment was proposed which would allow hunting and meat for human consumtion. No-way said it's sponsors and it died right there.
goodfriend @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:22 am
Maybe .
uwish @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:06 am
I am SO tired of this. The opposition parties in particular the NDP like to talk big and think they are more important than they truly are. The liberals are more of a joke than they ever have been, they keep claiming to bring down this government but at every opportunity they either get on their knees and blow the tories or RUN AND HIDE from the vote!
For the love of Christ enough already!! either shit or get off the pot!
ridenrain @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:38 am
This is quite an interesting and accurate take on this:
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In his latest National Post column, the Don curses Stephen Harper’s legislation mandating a fixed election date in 2009. He blames that legislation for the current disfunction of parliamentary committees and the confounding of various retirement plans for certain MPs.
I do, however, find this passage a bit telling:
And that, I think, is why Harper won’t break that law, contrary to the Don’s wishes. Because the longer this government lasts, the more people see of Mr. Dion — and the more they see of Mr. Dion, the more trouble the Liberal Party of Canada finds itself in.
If Harper had chosen to call an election last year — before things like “NAFTAgate” and the Cadman affair happened, I might add — we would not have witnessed the Liberal’s Abstention ‘07 strategy, the by-election results in Quebec and Saskatchewan, and the public sniping between the Liberals in Ottawa and their provincial branch. In other words, more things happened to cast doubt on the Liberals’ ability to handle matters than on the Conservatives’.
By putting the responsiblity for causing the government to fall solely on Opposition shoulders, the Conservative government has not only given the Liberals a high amount of power, it’s also put them under tremendous public and political pressure to use that power responsibly. In fact, what we’ve seen from the primary Opposition party is their struggle to use the power to benefit their own self-interest, i.e. to return to Government. And so far it’s not exactly a pretty sight.
As for the Tories’ own election readiness, pretty much everyone concedes that the Tories are definitely ready, and the Don seems to believe that the Tories just absolutely have to use their electoral resources since they’re costing so much money already. To paraphrase: they have the weapon, they have to use it.
I wouldn’t be so sure. I think it’s better to think of the Tories’ pre-election preparations as a sort of emergency insurance policy. Sure, it’s a big expense which may seem like a waste if nothing happens, but if something does then you’ll be glad you had it.
I do, however, find this passage a bit telling:
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The more likely outcome of this mess is that the government will have to live with the sad fact there is nothing they can propose that won’t be dodged by Liberals trying to avoid an election.
“I will choose my time in keeping in my mind the necessity to give to Canadians in an optimal situation the possibility to have a progressive Liberal government that will replace this bad bill by a good law and that will replace this bad government by a good government,” stammered Liberal leader Stephane Dion yesterday. Um, well, you figure that out.
“I will choose my time in keeping in my mind the necessity to give to Canadians in an optimal situation the possibility to have a progressive Liberal government that will replace this bad bill by a good law and that will replace this bad government by a good government,” stammered Liberal leader Stephane Dion yesterday. Um, well, you figure that out.
And that, I think, is why Harper won’t break that law, contrary to the Don’s wishes. Because the longer this government lasts, the more people see of Mr. Dion — and the more they see of Mr. Dion, the more trouble the Liberal Party of Canada finds itself in.
If Harper had chosen to call an election last year — before things like “NAFTAgate” and the Cadman affair happened, I might add — we would not have witnessed the Liberal’s Abstention ‘07 strategy, the by-election results in Quebec and Saskatchewan, and the public sniping between the Liberals in Ottawa and their provincial branch. In other words, more things happened to cast doubt on the Liberals’ ability to handle matters than on the Conservatives’.
By putting the responsiblity for causing the government to fall solely on Opposition shoulders, the Conservative government has not only given the Liberals a high amount of power, it’s also put them under tremendous public and political pressure to use that power responsibly. In fact, what we’ve seen from the primary Opposition party is their struggle to use the power to benefit their own self-interest, i.e. to return to Government. And so far it’s not exactly a pretty sight.
As for the Tories’ own election readiness, pretty much everyone concedes that the Tories are definitely ready, and the Don seems to believe that the Tories just absolutely have to use their electoral resources since they’re costing so much money already. To paraphrase: they have the weapon, they have to use it.
I wouldn’t be so sure. I think it’s better to think of the Tories’ pre-election preparations as a sort of emergency insurance policy. Sure, it’s a big expense which may seem like a waste if nothing happens, but if something does then you’ll be glad you had it.
http://phantomobserver.com/blog/?p=1007
ryan29 @ Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:16 pm
uwish uwish:
I am SO tired of this. The opposition parties in particular the NDP like to talk big and think they are more important than they truly are. The liberals are more of a joke than they ever have been, they keep claiming to bring down this government but at every opportunity they either get on their knees and blow the tories or RUN AND HIDE from the vote!
For the love of Christ enough already!! either shit or get off the pot!
For the love of Christ enough already!! either shit or get off the pot!
i know its been a little rediclous these last months , all talk but no action from the opposition on the election front .
i'm not in a rush for one but its just all these constent threats then backing off is a little odd.