Plans for Canada anti-terror unit found in garbage
DerbyX @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:27 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
DerbyX DerbyX:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
It may not have been an accident. 
There is more to this than meets the eye. My spidey senses went right up when I saw a guy from the Rideau Institute 'found' the documents.
I don't know if you are familiar with this 'advocacy' group Bart. They are part of 'ceasefire.ca' and were formerly the anti-military org called the Polaris Institute.
The pinkies at CTV love to have Steven Staples (the head guy at the Rideau Inst) on NewsNet when they want to tilt Afghanistan stories to the anti-CF side.
The guy has no military background, either educationally or operationally yet they wheel him out as a 'defence expert'.
Very annoying.
Having this Rideau Institute guy with this kind of anti-military background coming across these documents on an Ottawa sidewalk seems highly unlikely as well as co-incidental.
I don't think we have heard the last of this.
According to what I heard on the news from an "insider", this type of breach is actually shockingly common. Secret files left open on benches over coffe breaks. Shredders not working properly so documents just tossed out.
I think this is a result of lax security procedures.
There have been lots of similar issues, laptops stolen etc but this guy from the Rideau Institute 'finding' this stuff is very different and inherently suspicious.
There will be more on this!
I hope so. The reports concerning lax security regardless of found plans deserves an inquiry.
Even if there is something nefarious to this left leaner then we still ahve the question about how he got it.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar though.
EyeBrock @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:45 pm
Agreed.It is crappy security and somebody should get their arses kicked and there is far too much of this stuff going on.
The thing that bothers me greatly is who found it. I saw Mr Anthony Salloum on CTV news. I think he might be getting a knock on his door sometime.
When it comes to things like this there is no such thing as coincidence, trust me!
Something is very wrong here.
Left-wing anti-military activist 'finds' secret plans on an Ottawa street? Mmmm......
DerbyX @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:51 pm
I don't know mate.
$1:
The plans -- which the passer-by handed to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper -- contain detailed drawings of the building's floor plan, electrical grid and the storage bay for robots designed to detect chemical and biological agents.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
mtbr @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:58 pm
mtbr mtbr:
The updated story contains this...
"Anthony Salloum, policy analyst for the left-leaning Rideau Institute, says he and his spouse came upon seven cardboard tubes of blueprints in a pile of trash during a walk on Bank Street on Oct 13."
oct 13 and we're just hearing about it now![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?")
"Anthony Salloum, policy analyst for the left-leaning Rideau Institute, says he and his spouse came upon seven cardboard tubes of blueprints in a pile of trash during a walk on Bank Street on Oct 13."
oct 13 and we're just hearing about it now
Tony ?
EyeBrock @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:13 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
I don't know mate.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
$1:
The plans -- which the passer-by handed to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper -- contain detailed drawings of the building's floor plan, electrical grid and the storage bay for robots designed to detect chemical and biological agents.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
I totally agree that the DND need to tighten security. This is just piss poor.
That aside:
The Rideau Instute guy said he was walking with his spouse when she saw the plans and pointed them out to him.
Call me cynical but this part of the story just does not add up.
I bet he was passed the documents by somebody sympathetic to the anti-war cause that the Rideau Institute espouse.
His story is just too incredible to be believed.
mixedfarmer @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:14 pm
why didnt they give it back or to the police?
DerbyX @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:18 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
DerbyX DerbyX:
I don't know mate.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
$1:
The plans -- which the passer-by handed to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper -- contain detailed drawings of the building's floor plan, electrical grid and the storage bay for robots designed to detect chemical and biological agents.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
I totally agree that the DND need to tighten security. This is just piss poor.
That aside:
The Rideau Instute guy said he was walking with his spouse when she saw the plans and pointed them out to him.
Call me cynical but this part of the story just does not add up.
I bet he was passed the documents by somebody sympathetic to the anti-war cause that the Rideau Institute espouse.
His story is just too incredible to be believed.
You might be right. At least all they did was bust lousy security. Thats just a well needed expose.
If they really wanted to do damage we would never have heard about it until the bomb went off.
They may have actually done us a favour by giving security a kick in the ass.
EyeBrock @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:23 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
DerbyX DerbyX:
I don't know mate.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
$1:
The plans -- which the passer-by handed to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper -- contain detailed drawings of the building's floor plan, electrical grid and the storage bay for robots designed to detect chemical and biological agents.
Was that passer-by tony or just the guy who got handed the plans.
It still leaves some serious questions concerning how they got there and who fucked up.
We have better security at the lab I work in for petes sake.
Doesn't inspire confidence does it?
I totally agree that the DND need to tighten security. This is just piss poor.
That aside:
The Rideau Instute guy said he was walking with his spouse when she saw the plans and pointed them out to him.
Call me cynical but this part of the story just does not add up.
I bet he was passed the documents by somebody sympathetic to the anti-war cause that the Rideau Institute espouse.
His story is just too incredible to be believed.
You might be right. At least all they did was bust lousy security. Thats just a well needed expose.
If they really wanted to do damage we would never have heard about it until the bomb went off.
They may have actually done us a favour by giving security a kick in the ass.
Agreed.
DerbyX @ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:30 pm
And now a word about a first in the Champions League.
This is the first time any nation has ever had four teams in the quarterfinals but England did it.
Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, and Arsenal are all in it.
Liverpool will win it all of course.
WTF was I talking about?
Loader @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:43 am
I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but I am betting since the prints had only DND stamps, and not security classification stamps such as Protected, Confidential, Secret etc, that a pissed off architectural firm/contractor that didn’t get the job is trying to smear either the Government or DND by arranging for this “security breach”. 
PluggyRug @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:57 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
And now a word about a first in the Champions League.
This is the first time any nation has ever had four teams in the quarterfinals but England did it.
Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, and Arsenal are all in it.
Liverpool will win it all of course.
WTF was I talking about?
This is the first time any nation has ever had four teams in the quarterfinals but England did it.
Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, and Arsenal are all in it.
Liverpool will win it all of course.
WTF was I talking about?
The conspiracy theorists are backing Manchester United. The results were found outside Old Trafford in a rolled up cardboard tube.
The tube had a been mailed from Liverpool.
Is that what you were talking about.
However the DND thingy is looking odd. October 13th???
Bodah @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:01 am
This is bs.
Even normal Government garbarge or paper for recycling isn't left out on the street.
You have to get by security guards and into the building (garage) to get too even the most uninteresting federal garbarge.
This was given to him.
mtbr @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:04 am
he even took the time to pose with them
smells like BS to me.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories
Banerry @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:20 pm
If this is a hoax he's pretty stupid.
That guy in Vancouver just got 18 months in jail for a terrorist hoax.
It is pretty sick to want to undermine public confidence for doing something like this.
I hope they get to the bottom of it.
dino_bobba_renno @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:02 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
It may not have been an accident.
There is more to this than meets the eye. My spidey senses went right up when I saw a guy from the Rideau Institute 'found' the documents.
I don't know if you are familiar with this 'advocacy' group Bart. They are part of 'ceasefire.ca' and were formerly the anti-military org called the Polaris Institute.
The pinkies at CTV love to have Steven Staples (the head guy at the Rideau Inst) on NewsNet when they want to tilt Afghanistan stories to the anti-CF side.
The guy has no military background, either educationally or operationally yet they wheel him out as a 'defence expert'.
Very annoying.
Having this Rideau Institute guy with this kind of anti-military background coming across these documents on an Ottawa sidewalk seems highly unlikely as well as co-incidental.
I don't think we have heard the last of this.
I'd have to agree with you Eyebrock, tis a bit fishy that he just happened to find these laying around in the trash as he was walking by. While I realize there are some engineering firms that are close by that were working on the documents I find it hard to believe they green bag their garbage up and leave it street side for collection instead of using a dumpster. Add to that the fact he just conveniently found them as he and his wife were walking by.