Protesters want Afghanistan mission ended

Liberal and Conservatives are both idiots, they have no clue what the Canadian people want. If there are protests and people are voicing again the Afghan mission then we should leave. I hate listing to peoples argument, about how soldiers died for this cause and how their sacrifice would go in vain? What do you mean?

What about thousands of Afghani civilians that are dieing due to the conflict that is taking place because of our presence, and when will this end? You cannot win a war in a territory that you cannot occupy for long periods of time. If the occupation is extended that means more lives will be lost on both sides, which will only worsen the conflict. What next? Taliban moved their bases all over ASIA, now we attack Pakistan? then Iran? This cannot and will not end until we leave and mind our own business otherwise we are basically asking for them to attack us here at home.

Nice to see the media doing their usual visual doctoring and using carefully chosen camera angles to make a gathering of a few dozen retards look like the coming together of hundreds, or even thousands. I guess Chomsky was right about how easy it is to manipulate a media message for one's own purposes, even though he neglected of course to tell anyone that the true masters of of manipulation are the neo-fascist far Left and not the Right.

Debate of the reasons for being in Afghanistan is always necessary and is the democratic thinkg to do. Are we doing any good there? I don't know. Are the deaths of Canadians worth it if Afghans won't step up to build and protect a nation of their own? Once again, I don't know. But I do know one thing when it comes to the message of the professional activists of the far Left. Falling for the stereotypical leftist hatred of the US or listening to the usual leftist pandering and apologetics for Muslim fascism, however, should be restricted only to the simpletons.

Geno:

There is a debate in Ottawa exactly because there is no agreement over what people want. Going as far as calling the two main parties idiot is quite a stretch.

You seem to be mixing Iraq and Afghanistan. You do know Canada is only in Afghanistan right? And you also do know that we haven't caused collateral damage that reaches the thousands (if so what are your sources?).

The mission in Afghanistan is composed of a coalition force supported by the UN, it's not a Blue Berret mission for the simple fact that they are used to preserve peace, in Afghanistan we are not doing this, yet the cause isn't bad. Talibans are religious extremist who want to impose their beliefs on the Afghan people by the use of force. I remember reading an article about how a kid who was dying was helped in a CF military hospital, and when he was returned to his tribe (a Taliban one) they killed him for accepting treatment, now if you think that this is an OK thing to do, then yes we should pull back. However many Canadians (and the international community) believe that public executions, near enslavement of women, religious discrimination and extreme religious zeal imposed on the population is a wrong thing, which is why we are in Afghanistan.

Since 2001 we have pushed the Talibans ever South and have built countless infrastructure (schools, wells, irrigation). Also what do you mean by 'these wars'? Canada is only involved in Afghanistan.

In political science, what you're using to support your arguments ('all the people i've talked to in my town) is called convenience sampling, which is a very bias method of study, and which cannot be generalized to a whole population (in this case Canada). If the majority of Canadians didn't want to be there, we wouldn't be there.

Also Talibans are not in Asia, do you even know who Talibans are? They are basically a political party in Afghanistan, however they want to impose themselves through force, and not through diplomacy. So no they are not all over Asia, that is way too much of a stretch.

'You cannot win a war in a territory that you cannot occupy for long periods of time.' I've read Sun Tzu's Art of War (basically a guide on how to do warfare, written over 2000 years ago, but that still holds a lot of truths. The Chinese Army teach it to their officers) and it says that winning a war is about a swift victory and does not require extended period of occupation. However to act swiftly you need to know where the enemy is (Sun Tzu said know yourself and know your enemy) and this is the problem we have.

There was a lot of fallacies in your two posts, you should read the news more.

Edit: (I just read your newest post).

'An online survey of 1,052 Canadians by Angus Reid Strategies, conducted Dec. 19 and 20,'

this was from your link. An online survey is also considered convenience sampling, and leads to bias. Usually only people who feel strongly negative about something will answer convenience sampling. Also it was down right before Christmas, a time when people are all thinking about peace and having their loved ones close to home. Also The Star isn't such a reputable newspaper. It prints 'sensational' more than it prints news so of course they'll publish a study that will be contradicting.

First of all,

kenmore: Jean Chretien (*Liberal*) originally sent us to Afghanistan in 2002.

Paul Martin (*Liberal*) then committed Canada to a combat role in the Kandahar region in 2004.

Own up to the fact your party put us their in the first place, and committed us to the combat role in the region we are in. Can't blame the Conservatives for originally sending us to Afghanistan.

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Okay, so I watched all the media clips of this from CTV.ca, and sheesh, what the hell? Their was like only a few dozen people, or in Toronto maybe a 1 or 2 hundred people. I mean seriously thats NOTHING. Yet the media soaks it up for the 6 o'clock news. There is a Pro Life rally each year in Ottawa, that gets THOUSANDS of protesters, and receives NO media coverage. Yet the media covers it when a few dozen/hundred people protest against the war.

Sheesh.

I do take joy in the fact the anti-war protesters are super-pissed off at Dion and the Liberal Party.

I hope this hurts the Liberals with their grassroots, and gives the NDP some momentum.

Oh and go too http://www.ctv.ca rate now and check their online poll on this.

61% of online voters chose "stay the course".

And now were out in 2011, its over then, thats the set deadline to leave, it can't be renewed after 2011.

So with a firm end date, and conditions to get a partner in Afghanistan (that will provide 1,000 troops) and some more helicopters, I think this satisfied most common sense Canadian's concerns.

Hell though, if our partner that provides the 1000 troops to work with us is the USA, you'll have the anti-war nutcases even more up in arms!

haha

Long range bomber strikes are completely out of operational capabilities for Canada. We won't even provide our own air-support in Afghanistan (I guess deploying the CF-18 is too costly). The whole idea of the mini-satellite is not to use for world-scale recon either. It's something the DND wants to use to have an oversight over the North waterway and make sure nobody intrudes into Canadian waters.

Also mixed farmer, I am in the reserve, and know several people who did a tour in Afghanistan (I know I said that personal talks with people doesn't count as an argument earlier) but after talking to them, they told me they felt what we were doing over there is good. Heck, ask any Afghanistan veteran. Also whenever you see an interview with a Canadian soldier they'll say that they believe we're doing the right thing and are eager to go for the next tour when they come back. Last Monday on CBC at 8 to 9 EST there was a show about the whole health system in the CF bases in Afghanistan. I didn't see his rank (the camera only took his head) but the man said 'War should be avoided at all cost, but if there is one, we must win it.'

I believe what we're doing there is worth it because Canada has agreed to the chart of international rights and freedoms for humans. This means we should do all we can to help provide those basic rights and freedoms wherever we can in the world. Otherwise it would be just like agreeing not to beat your kids, but let the person next door beat his/her kids.

did the protesters miss something or has the vote on this mission allready happened , did they not think that maybe there protest should of been before the vote ?