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Public_Domain @ Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:35 am
BartSimpson @ Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:38 am
andyt andyt:
Keep up the wankfest boys. You must be right because, well you just must be.
Actual numbers: 60000 illegals in Oz = 60000/30000000 = .2%
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12,000,000 illegals in the US/300,000,000 = 4% = 20 times as much per capita.
Fucking dorks.
Australia reports approximately 60,000 people have overstayed their visas. That's not the total number of illegal aliens - also euphemistically known as 'undocumented immigrants' for the fact that governments don't have records on these people.
That said, actual numbers of illegals in the US could be as high as 25 million according to the health care reimbursement data that the Health & Human Services Dept. uses to reimburse hospitals for Federally mandated care to these people.
If you have SAS I can send you the actual query of the Federal database that contains this raw information.
Australia's illegal immigrant population is much higher than just 60,000 people who overstayed visas.
The Australian government in this document...
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publicatio ... report.pdf
...reports that as many as 100,000 illegal immigrants are working illegally in Australia and the extrapolation factor for non-working spouses and children is 3.5 per illegal worker and that gives us a total estimated 450,000 illegal aliens in Australia.
andyt @ Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:57 am
Using your higher numbers, Australia should have about 2.5 million illegals in the country to match the US, and they have nowhere near that.
They have less than 5000 boat people in detention on Christmas Island. This is where the real fear is in OZ tho, because they know that if things go sideways, the desperate people that surround them would flood into OZ and there would be nothing they could do about it. So even tho the boat people problem is small, it has them very worried. OTOH, most of the "illegals" in OZ are from Britain and the US, people who just liked it there and stayed on. They're not being culturally swamped the way the US is.
Mostly it's a political football, rather than a big problem. But good on them for being tough on it.
bootlegga @ Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:21 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Industry regulation doesn't have a rgeat record of success.
Government regulation ain't doing so great either.
https://www.healthcare.gov/
Seriously, a number of private industries have safety standards that exceed those required by state and Federal regulators. Airlines are one of them, so are many private railroads who employ three-man crews as opposed to government operated railroads who employ one-man crews.
Yeah, because privately run trains never derail...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rkers.html
And privately run pipelines never leak...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/ ... XH20131010
I won't even bother looking for private trucking companies and accidents because the list would be way too long...
There is no perfect solution, but as Zip says, gov't regulations here mitigate the effects of many such incidents.
Without the EPA, I have little the doubt that air/water/grounf in the US would be just as toxic as it is in China. Labour laws here also protect employees from being locked in death traps and/or forcing people to work 18 hour days - as happened in the 19th century (and still occurs in places in the Third World).
I think we in the West have come pretty close to the ideal - government regulations coupled with free enterprise. There is always the need to tweak here and there, but overall, I'd say we're doing pretty good.