Canada Kicks Ass
The Natives are at it again

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PJB @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:22 pm

lily lily:
The land claims need to be settled and treaties honoured.

Road blocks don't help anyone's cause, no mater who it is. Maybe people should take matters into their own hands, much like they did in Pemberton. Years ago, the natives set up a blockade, to the towns-people set up one of their own, effectively cutting off the reserve from outside resources.

It didn't last a week.


All people have to do is boycott the native run casinos for a couple of months and see what happens.

ROTFL

   



Donny_Brasco @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:33 pm

LABBATTS50 LABBATTS50:


Why is it and I mean this seriously, just want to hear an honest answer, the natives don't cause shit and raise a ruckus (usually illeagally) until the land in question is suddenly financially attractive?


How many land claims are you familiar with...3 maybe 4? Out of between 800 and 1000 that exist.

And if someone starts mining, or de-foresting or developing on this desputed land...well if it was your land you would cause a ruckus too.

Like at Oka, there was no publicity until the town decided it was building a golf course no matter how many indian burial sites or how sacred the land was to the Indians. Now how are we supposed to protect our culture?

Same thing here, pretty tough to be in an endless buracratic system fighting for the land claim to be recognized nd settled when someone else is trucking 20,000 truckloads of the land away each year.

   



PJB @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:38 pm

Donny...Just out of curiousity...How many of those 800 to 1000 land claims involve lands that have either resource developments on them or urban developments?

Just wondering if natives are claiming lands that have no added value through resources or if it just lands that have potential for profit through development.

   



Mr_Canada old @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:41 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
My grade 12 social studies teacher had this idea: Give every single living native person a million dollars, and then tell them all to STFU and GBTW. It would be hella expensive in the beginning, but think of the peace and quiet afterwards....
I have a better idea.

Invoke the War Messures Act on these fucking blockades.

They do a few more, we'll come and beat the shit out of them.

Eventually they will get the message.

That has to be the most conservative thing I've ever written, but still. Fucking Anti-Canadian Native Separatists need to make the way Quebecois Separatists and DIS-A-FUCKING-PEAR!

   



Mr_Canada old @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:44 pm

PJB PJB:
If they are criminals they should be treated as such. Arrested, charged, convicted and put in jail. Not given money or land.

They should also have to pay both VIA and CN for lost revenue as a result of this illegal blockade.
I also think they should be treated like criminals.

Like the FLQ, for example, :evil:

But let's not send these guys to Cuba.

   



Donny_Brasco @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:55 pm

PJB PJB:
Donny...Just out of curiousity...How many of those 800 to 1000 land claims involve lands that have either resource developments on them or urban developments?


Urban - I would be guessing that it’s probably not very many. In the west most of our communities are away from major centers. Most community's land claims are adjacent or very close to where they are now.

But there are some and the areas around the Great lakes are more prone to being in urban areas simply because of the higher density populations in those areas.

Resources - I would guess that many of these areas have resource potential. But legally the government and industry are required to consult with Natives before harvesting these resources.

   



PJB @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:10 pm

Thanks for the info Donny. I find it strange that the western Canadian land claims do not seem to garner the attention or need for blockades while the ones in Ontario and Quebec require blockades and always seem to involve these radical Mohawk's.

Insofar as resource development I think the developers have to consult with landowners whether they are native or not.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:23 pm

In the USA if you blocked the railroad tracks the Railroad Police would come out to clear the tracks and would not hesitate to shoot you if necessary.

A few dead terrorists would go a long way to restoring order not just on the tracks, but in the rest of Canada, as well.

   



Knoss @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:24 pm

If first nations wanted property rights why were they one of the largest opponents to Meech Lake?

   



Knoss @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:31 pm

but in all seriousness it seems to be a lot of money for a municipality and the land can not be given as it has been sold.

   



Donny_Brasco @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:40 pm

Knoss Knoss:
but in all seriousness it seems to be a lot of money for a municipality and the land can not be given as it has been sold.


You cannot sell stolen property.

   



Knoss @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:53 pm

$1:
You cannot sell stolen property.


It was not stolen, it was taken by a givernment through eminient domain. According to British Common Law as expressed by the US Bill of Rights (Charter is open on this issue) the government must give compensation.

   



PJB @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:07 pm

Donny...Let's not get into the 'stolen land' thing. When you talk like that you only add fuel to the fire.

btw...Just how much land are you claiming?

   



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