Time to tap Canada's water riches
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<strong>Date: </strong> 2006-09-27 23:26:28
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USCAdad @ Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:29 am
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Ironically, Canada's wing-nut politicians -- Liberals and NDPers in particular -- have spoken out against water exports, as though it was somehow bad for the nation or that Canadians would die of thirst.
Some even spoke about water as the "hidden agenda" behind free trade with the United States. But water is in huge surplus in Canada and is, unlike oil or natural gas or metals and minerals, a renewable resource.
Some even spoke about water as the "hidden agenda" behind free trade with the United States. But water is in huge surplus in Canada and is, unlike oil or natural gas or metals and minerals, a renewable resource.
Ironically? I'm sure anyone left of Quisling is a leftist tree hugger.
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Hopefully, water won't be a rallying cry for the economically and technologically ignorant left-of-centre parties in Canada or its provinces.
Fresh water represents another massive opportunity bestowed on the country, which could benefit every Canadian in future. As well, it's a matter of responsible stewardship. The price and terms must be fair.
Fresh water represents another massive opportunity bestowed on the country, which could benefit every Canadian in future. As well, it's a matter of responsible stewardship. The price and terms must be fair.
What absolute bullshit. Once the first transaction goes through the whole thing is under NAFTA, only a duplicitous traitor would think that process would be fare. There's no fairness, there's no stewardship. Dang this gets me hot under the collar. I'd become a seperatist if this whent through. Stay away from the water.
grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:51 pm
Like the author I don't understand why there is opposition to water exports. More rain falls on BC alone then all the rest of North America combined. It pretty much all drains into the ocean. Why not pipe it down into the US to be used to grow fruits and vegtables for our consumption rather then mix it with salt water and waste it.
Hardy @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:03 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Like the author I don't understand why there is opposition to water exports. More rain falls on BC alone then all the rest of North America combined. It pretty much all drains into the ocean. Why not pipe it down into the US to be used to grow fruits and vegtables for our consumption rather then mix it with salt water and waste it.
Thus spake the resident of The Dry Province.
Tell you what, as a BCer, I have no problem with sending some water Alberta's way, as a token of appreciation for the contribution that Alberta's natural resources make to the economy.
But would you like BC to be telling you how to sell your oil and gas?
USCAdad @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:13 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Like the author I don't understand why there is opposition to water exports. More rain falls on BC alone then all the rest of North America combined. It pretty much all drains into the ocean. Why not pipe it down into the US to be used to grow fruits and vegtables for our consumption rather then mix it with salt water and waste it.
The same reason you don't gamble with the rent money. Water and air are not like oil. They are the fundamentals of life. Ulitmately, I'm not willing to trade on that. If this went through, you'd pay the same for water as someone is Las Vegas, Texas, or the driest part of Mexico. Just like oil you couldn't have any advantage. You would need a permit for a well or even to gather rain water off your roof. Look at what Bechtel was doing in Bolivia. You want that for Canada? No thank you.
If the rest of Canada insists on selling their water, Nafta should at least be negotiated so that Provinces or States could opt out. Which brings up an interesting foot note. When they came looking for water in the Cascadian States, both Governers ordered anyone even surveying for the project to be arrested and threatened to deploy the Guard. Perhaps, Canada is an easier target.
BC does get a lot of rain. If things continue to dry out it may become Canada's bread basket as well as its vintner. It would be foolish to trade the birthright for a bowl of stew. It didn't work out so well for Esau.
grainfedprairieboy @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:16 am
Hardy Hardy:
Thus spake the resident of The Dry Province.
Tell you what, as a BCer, I have no problem with sending some water Alberta's way, as a token of appreciation for the contribution that Alberta's natural resources make to the economy.
But would you like BC to be telling you how to sell your oil and gas?
Tell you what, as a BCer, I have no problem with sending some water Alberta's way, as a token of appreciation for the contribution that Alberta's natural resources make to the economy.
But would you like BC to be telling you how to sell your oil and gas?
Of course not, that is why the Canadian government has no right to tell the people of BC what they will or will not do with their water.
grainfedprairieboy @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:20 am
USCAdad USCAdad:
The same reason you don't gamble with the rent money. Water and air are not like oil. They are the fundamentals of life. Ulitmately, I'm not willing to trade on that. If this went through, you'd pay the same for water as someone is Las Vegas, Texas, or the driest part of Mexico. Just like oil you couldn't have any advantage. You would need a permit for a well or even to gather rain water off your roof. Look at what Bechtel was doing in Bolivia. You want that for Canada? No thank you.
If the rest of Canada insists on selling their water, Nafta should at least be negotiated so that Provinces or States could opt out. Which brings up an interesting foot note. When they came looking for water in the Cascadian States, both Governers ordered anyone even surveying for the project to be arrested and threatened to deploy the Guard. Perhaps, Canada is an easier target.
BC does get a lot of rain. If things continue to dry out it may become Canada's bread basket as well as its vintner. It would be foolish to trade the birthright for a bowl of stew. It didn't work out so well for Esau.
If the rest of Canada insists on selling their water, Nafta should at least be negotiated so that Provinces or States could opt out. Which brings up an interesting foot note. When they came looking for water in the Cascadian States, both Governers ordered anyone even surveying for the project to be arrested and threatened to deploy the Guard. Perhaps, Canada is an easier target.
BC does get a lot of rain. If things continue to dry out it may become Canada's bread basket as well as its vintner. It would be foolish to trade the birthright for a bowl of stew. It didn't work out so well for Esau.
Point of order, you already need a permit for a well anywhere in Canada.
You are scare mongering. Water resources would be managed no differently then any other resource.
I agree though that any province should be able to opt out.
USCAdad @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:22 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
You are scare mongering. Water resources would be managed no differently then any other resource.
I agree though that any province should be able to opt out.
I agree though that any province should be able to opt out.
Nope, just scared. I'll opt out.
Mr_Canada old @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:41 am
America wants to take our water....
And it's basically proof of how we can't say "no" thanks to all the shit unions and contracts and treaties and acts and all that bullshit we signed for them for "friendship".
They are going to get our water. We don't have a choice.
USCAdad @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:45 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
America wants to take our water....
And it's basically proof of how we can't say "no" thanks to all the shit unions and contracts and treaties and acts and all that bullshit we signed for them for "friendship".
They are going to get our water. We don't have a choice.
And it's basically proof of how we can't say "no" thanks to all the shit unions and contracts and treaties and acts and all that bullshit we signed for them for "friendship".
They are going to get our water. We don't have a choice.
I wont lay down. I find the defeatism disturbing. I'm not really sure what to say about it. You can stand up for yourself.
Mr_Canada old @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:14 am
USCAdad USCAdad:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
America wants to take our water....
And it's basically proof of how we can't say "no" thanks to all the shit unions and contracts and treaties and acts and all that bullshit we signed for them for "friendship".
They are going to get our water. We don't have a choice.
And it's basically proof of how we can't say "no" thanks to all the shit unions and contracts and treaties and acts and all that bullshit we signed for them for "friendship".
They are going to get our water. We don't have a choice.
I wont lay down. I find the defeatism disturbing. I'm not really sure what to say about it. You can stand up for yourself.
Of course.
I am strongly against this. I hate almost every single foreign influence that effects negativly to Canada.
But the United States doesn't give a holy damn about Canada. If they did, they wouldn't have done shit like free trade.
I just know my place and that I can't really make much of a message on a forum against this.
I wish for Ameria to fuck off and leave Canada alone. Along with any other nation poised at reaping the benifits and resources that come with scamming the hell out of Canada.
The best I think I could do is walk around High School screaming nonsence about this. Kinda liek what I do to Free Trade and Americanization.
Yay for standing up. Boo for the fact that I'm just a kid no one would seriously look at.
But I do know that the United States will get our water. If we refuse...
...they'll probably threaten us. If we refuse then...
Hell, invading for more resources never stopped them before... CT? Yeah, a badly constructed one. Possible? In my eyes, which find the US a hostile controlling nation, yes.
Hardy @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:42 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
But the United States doesn't give a holy damn about Canada. If they did, they wouldn't have done shit like free trade.
Don't forget, NAFTA was foisted off on the American citizenry just like it was the Canadian, and with no more public input. Assuming that enforcement isn't completely skewed, it is probably as bad a thing for Americans, or any other industrialized nation, as it is for Canadians.
Blame governments, and blame the WTO. But don't blame the people, they're in the same boat as we are.
ziggy @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:34 am
Hardy Hardy:
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Like the author I don't understand why there is opposition to water exports. More rain falls on BC alone then all the rest of North America combined. It pretty much all drains into the ocean. Why not pipe it down into the US to be used to grow fruits and vegtables for our consumption rather then mix it with salt water and waste it.
Thus spake the resident of The Dry Province.
Tell you what, as a BCer, I have no problem with sending some water Alberta's way, as a token of appreciation for the contribution that Alberta's natural resources make to the economy.
But would you like BC to be telling you how to sell your oil and gas?
Next time you buy a bottle of water from the convenience store look for the Nanton spring water next to the Evian. We have been selling bcers our Alberta spring water for years.
Canada has lots of water,enough to share with the world,anyone who thinks otherwise hasnt flown over Canada.
Mr_Canada old @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:31 am
Hardy Hardy:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
But the United States doesn't give a holy damn about Canada. If they did, they wouldn't have done shit like free trade.
Don't forget, NAFTA was foisted off on the American citizenry just like it was the Canadian, and with no more public input. Assuming that enforcement isn't completely skewed, it is probably as bad a thing for Americans, or any other industrialized nation, as it is for Canadians.
Blame governments, and blame the WTO. But don't blame the people, they're in the same boat as we are.
WTO?
USCAdad @ Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:07 am
ziggy ziggy:
Hardy Hardy:
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Like the author I don't understand why there is opposition to water exports. More rain falls on BC alone then all the rest of North America combined. It pretty much all drains into the ocean. Why not pipe it down into the US to be used to grow fruits and vegtables for our consumption rather then mix it with salt water and waste it.
Thus spake the resident of The Dry Province.
Tell you what, as a BCer, I have no problem with sending some water Alberta's way, as a token of appreciation for the contribution that Alberta's natural resources make to the economy.
But would you like BC to be telling you how to sell your oil and gas?
Next time you buy a bottle of water from the convenience store look for the Nanton spring water next to the Evian. We have been selling bcers our Alberta spring water for years.
Canada has lots of water,enough to share with the world,anyone who thinks otherwise hasnt flown over Canada.
Well I have webbed toes and mold in the hard to see places from all the water I get to live in nine months of the year. Saying Canada has plenty of water is short sighted. Don't give away what you don't have:
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Booming Alberta vulnerable to drought: water experts
Last Updated: Tuesday, April 4, 2006 | 2:14 PM ET
CBC News
With the Prairies likely to face a severe drought within the next couple of decades, Alberta should limit the number of people who move there, warns a report by two Canadian water experts.
David Schindler, an ecology professor at the University of Alberta, says future droughts will likely be far worse than the ones that turned the Prairies into a dust bowl in the 1930s.
He says Alberta's booming economy and rapid growth have made it the province vulnerable to water shortages.
Schindler co-authored the study with W.F. Donahue. It was published online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The authors say water levels in some rivers in Alberta have declined by 20 to 84 per cent in the past 100 years.
The biggest declines were measured in rivers and lakes in the central and southern part of the province, where Albertans draw most of their water.
But Schindler says his findings show the Northwest Territories, Saskatchewan and Manitoba are also vulnerable to drought.
Alberta's Environment Minister Guy Boutilier says people in the province will have to reduce their use of water by a third within the next seven years.
Boutilier predicts that if people don't do that, it could lead to disputes among Prairie provinces as the resource dries up.
Schindler's study says evidence suggests the 20th century's relatively moist conditions were a fluke and the past 2,000 years have generally been drier. He says previous dry periods occurred several times a century, and usually lasted for several decades.
He predicts that if the climate reverts back to drier conditions and global warming continues, parts of the Prairies that are already dry will probably begin to experience the near-desert conditions seen in parts of the U.S. West.
Booming Alberta vulnerable to drought: water experts
Last Updated: Tuesday, April 4, 2006 | 2:14 PM ET
CBC News
With the Prairies likely to face a severe drought within the next couple of decades, Alberta should limit the number of people who move there, warns a report by two Canadian water experts.
David Schindler, an ecology professor at the University of Alberta, says future droughts will likely be far worse than the ones that turned the Prairies into a dust bowl in the 1930s.
He says Alberta's booming economy and rapid growth have made it the province vulnerable to water shortages.
Schindler co-authored the study with W.F. Donahue. It was published online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The authors say water levels in some rivers in Alberta have declined by 20 to 84 per cent in the past 100 years.
The biggest declines were measured in rivers and lakes in the central and southern part of the province, where Albertans draw most of their water.
But Schindler says his findings show the Northwest Territories, Saskatchewan and Manitoba are also vulnerable to drought.
Alberta's Environment Minister Guy Boutilier says people in the province will have to reduce their use of water by a third within the next seven years.
Boutilier predicts that if people don't do that, it could lead to disputes among Prairie provinces as the resource dries up.
Schindler's study says evidence suggests the 20th century's relatively moist conditions were a fluke and the past 2,000 years have generally been drier. He says previous dry periods occurred several times a century, and usually lasted for several decades.
He predicts that if the climate reverts back to drier conditions and global warming continues, parts of the Prairies that are already dry will probably begin to experience the near-desert conditions seen in parts of the U.S. West.
Talk to the people in Tofino about being pepared for water shortages. If you want to trade away your ability to control Albertan water go for it. Leave BC out.