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ryan29 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:23 am

Tory lead jumps 7 points over holidays
Updated Wed. Jan. 9 2008 7:29 PM ET

The Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- With politics rarely in the news and Prime Minister Stephen Harper keeping a low profile, a new poll indicates the Conservatives jumped to a seven-point lead over the holidays.


While Canadians were busy stuffing stockings and carving up turkey, the federal Tories were busily bolting to a sizeable advantage over the Liberals, says the new Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey.


The pollster suggests the Tories had fallen slightly behind the Liberals by mid-December, then leapt past them over the holidays to hold a 37-30 edge by the first week of January.


NDP support among 1,000 Canadians polled from Jan. 3 to 6 dipped in British Columbia, Quebec and Ontario as the party's national support dropped to just 13 per cent.


Harris-Decima's president says there's nothing unusual about a government becoming more popular the less Canadians see of it.


Bruce Anderson says governments tend to do better when Parliament is not sitting and they're not facing daily attacks from opposition parties that wind up generating news coverage.


"That's probably true for many governments if we went back over time,'' Anderson said.


"When they're in the House of Commons, when they're debating the issues of the day, there's a better chance that they're going to be on the defensive rather than talking up their agenda.''


The prime minister's spokespeople noted that while Harper may not have been slugging it out in Parliament, he has been very visible over the last month.


He did a slew of year-end interviews in December. Then he heralded his government's one-point cut in the GST for Jan. 1. Harper issued holiday greetings, and also appeared in public to comment on the killing of Benazir Bhutto.


"I would argue that Canadians felt well informed on what this government is doing,'' said Harper spokeswoman Carolyn Stewart Olsen.


"Canadians are feeling the country is in good hands with this PM.'' The Tories suffered similar woes in the spring, then regained support over the summer holidays and through the autumn before they were hit again with bad news in November and December.


Anderson says the Mulroney-Schreiber affair contributed to a December dip for the government, as did the criticism it faced at an environmental summit in Bali.


On Dec. 19, a Harris-Decima survey recorded the Tories at a 32-30 disadvantage behind the Liberals.


"When it (the government) is setting the agenda and not on the defensive we see numbers that are more like 37,'' Anderson said.


"When it's on the defensive we see numbers that are more like 33, 32, 31 and 30.''


Although the provincial samples contain a larger margin of error, the Tories' numbers in Quebec may cause them some concern.


It is the province where they most need to gain seats to win a majority government. But Harris-Decima suggests they have fallen to a 13-point deficit behind the Bloc Quebecois.


The Bloc led the Conservatives 41 to 23 in the province and the Liberals were at 19 per cent.


Anderson says Quebecers may have been particularly attentive to criticism of the Tories' climate-change stance at Bali.


The picture was much prettier for them in B.C., where they led the Liberals by 13 points, and in Atlantic Canada where they appeared to have gained support and only trailed the Liberals by four points.


Liberal Leader Stephane Dion seemed markedly less eager Wednesday to force a quick election than he was only a month ago.


He said his party doesn't intend to try to introduce a confidence vote before the next budget in February or March.


"I have no plan to do so for now,'' he said.


And he repeatedly refused to "speculate'' on whether the Liberals will bring down the government over the budget, saying he'll wait to evaluate its contents.


Dion's non-committal responses were in stark contrast to his apparent eagerness in December for an election early in 2008. At that time, he appeared to be setting the stage for a winter or spring election, warning that Liberals, who abstained on confidence matters throughout the fall, would not continue to prop up the government for much longer.


"2008 will be another ball game,'' he said then. "You cannot keep alive forever a government who wants to die.''


Liberal insiders say Dion continues to personally favour an early election. However, some of his top advisers prefer to wait as long as possible and have persuaded Dion to at least keep his options open.


With the economy slowing, the Mulroney-Schreiber hearings set to resume and a renewed debate over Afghanistan imminent, some strategists contend the Harper government is going to increasingly find itself in trouble with voters.


The latest poll contains plenty of bad news for the NDP.


The party -- which won a historic Quebec byelection in September and hopes to take more seats in the province -- sagged to eight per cent in Quebec. The Green party had nine per cent in the province.


It was almost as bad for New Democrats in Ontario. In that province, Liberals held a 40-37 lead over the Tories, while the NDP was at 12 per cent and the Green party was at 10.


"When you look at Ontario, the Green party really is edging ahead of the NDP in critical parts of the province,'' Anderson said.


"That's pretty big news.''


The poll is considered accurate to within 3.1 percentage points, 19 times in 20.


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ryan29 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:26 am

realise this in only 1 poll but its interesting that minute parliament went on winter break things got worse for opposition and better for government .

   



hurley_108 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:43 am

ryan29 ryan29:
realise this in only 1 poll but its interesting that minute parliament went on winter break things got worse for opposition and better for government .


That is interesting. It seems that the Conservatives are only popular when theirs is the only message getting out, when their people are the only ones on TV.

Doesn't bode well for when Parliament gets back in session, because then they can get hammered again. But even then they get to set a fair amount of the agenda.

The real test will be the actual election campaign when every party will get basically equal footing.

This poll may look like good news for the Conservatives, and it is to some extent because they've got some political capital to spend again, but it shows where, and more importantly when, they're weak.

The longer it takes the Conservatives to get their budget out, the more likely it is it'll be defeated I think.

   



kenmore @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:17 am

and dont forget the ad campaign about the huge drop in the GST.. thats all we heard over the holiday. the government is dropping the GST Jan 1st.. big deal... still wont buy a majority...

   



mtbr @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:01 pm

kenmore kenmore:
and dont forget the ad campaign about the huge drop in the GST.. thats all we heard over the holiday. the government is dropping the GST Jan 1st.. big deal... still wont buy a majority...


hey Kenmore looks like the winds of change you were talking about was nothing more than an eastern fart in the wind ROTFL

   



mtbr @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:04 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
ryan29 ryan29:
realise this in only 1 poll but its interesting that minute parliament went on winter break things got worse for opposition and better for government .


That is interesting. It seems that the Conservatives are only popular when theirs is the only message getting out, when their people are the only ones on TV.

.


you mean when the CBC has a tough time taking a crack at their policies because the Liberals don't have any plans.


Yeah that lefty media, we know what they're up to.

   



Thanos @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:14 pm

[chickenshit]Dion's non-committal responses were in stark contrast to his apparent eagerness in December for an election early in 2008. [/chickenshit]

Typical.

   



ridenrain @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:31 pm

Borrowed from the US elections but it fits here even better:

   



ryan29 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:56 pm

kenmore kenmore:
and dont forget the ad campaign about the huge drop in the GST.. thats all we heard over the holiday. the government is dropping the GST Jan 1st.. big deal... still wont buy a majority...


well maybe not unless dion campaigns to raise the gst back up or give 1% to another level of government or something like that . or anything similar that annoys consumers who support the gst cut .

   



ryan29 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:00 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
ryan29 ryan29:
realise this in only 1 poll but its interesting that minute parliament went on winter break things got worse for opposition and better for government .


That is interesting. It seems that the Conservatives are only popular when theirs is the only message getting out, when their people are the only ones on TV.

Doesn't bode well for when Parliament gets back in session, because then they can get hammered again. But even then they get to set a fair amount of the agenda.

The real test will be the actual election campaign when every party will get basically equal footing.

This poll may look like good news for the Conservatives, and it is to some extent because they've got some political capital to spend again, but it shows where, and more importantly when, they're weak.

The longer it takes the Conservatives to get their budget out, the more likely it is it'll be defeated I think.



well this is interesting but i wasn't surprised at all , since parliament hasn't been in session or question period for a few weeks so opposition hasn't done much or made up any odd allegations to bring forward to parliament .

   



mtbr @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:44 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:

The real test will be the actual election campaign when every party will get basically equal footing.

.


basically?

not entirely?

not on the CBC news?

   



hurley_108 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:50 pm

mtbr mtbr:
hurley_108 hurley_108:

The real test will be the actual election campaign when every party will get basically equal footing.

.


basically?

not entirely?

not on the CBC news?


Hey, you got Stephen Harper's dick out of your mouth long enough to make another jab at the CBC! Good for you!

   



mtbr @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:51 pm

hurley_108 hurley_108:
mtbr mtbr:
hurley_108 hurley_108:

The real test will be the actual election campaign when every party will get basically equal footing.

.


basically?

not entirely?

not on the CBC news?


Hey, you got Stephen Harper's dick out of your mouth long enough to make another jab at the CBC! Good for you!



what's the matter I thought lefties liked and promoted gay sex?

   



bootlegga @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:04 pm

I find it rather ironic that when a poll says the Liberals are in front, the Conservatives around here say "The only poll that matters is an election", but when a poll says their guy is leading, then all of a sudden, it's "Hey, polls are great!"


Hmmm...

   



mtbr @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:11 pm

bootlegga bootlegga:
I find it rather ironic that when a poll says the Liberals are in front, the Conservatives around here say "The only poll that matters is an election", but when a poll says their guy is leading, then all of a sudden, it's "Hey, polls are great!"


Hmmm...



Hey we can change our minds. You do it on the same page of a thread

Bootlega
I'd love to go chat with friends in a coffee shop but I'm too busy working trying to pay my mortgage...if real estate prices stay that way, I'm going to retire to the East Coast in 25-30 years.


Bootlega
BTW, I've lived here all my life, but never earned enough to qualify for a mortgage (due to massive hikes in post-secondary education...thanks for nothing Ralph).


all on one page [?] ROTFL

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