Tory support plummets in Quebec, poll finds
hurley_108 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:15 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
That would be rather pointless wouldn't it? Except for prov/terrs with very few ridings it would be nothing but symbolic and for those with very few there would be lots of candidates who could care less about the area and take votes and possibly the seat from an actual dedicated candidate.
Like all the arguments concerning PR, prove our system is failing us first.
Like all the arguments concerning PR, prove our system is failing us first.
First they should prove that this isn't a deliebrately undemocratic move to force small / regional parties to waste resources. But ridenrain's already stated that that's exactly what it is:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Forcing them to run across the country would bleed them of funds.
hurley_108 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:16 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
Wait, scratch my previous response. All ridings? Do I read that right? ALL 308 ridings? Give me a fucking break. Even your Conservatives couldn't manage that last election, due to a drop-out too close to the nomination deadline.
I guess it just goes to show that this "idea," if such a mental abortion can be called that, has been given no serious thought even by its proponents.
I guess it just goes to show that this "idea," if such a mental abortion can be called that, has been given no serious thought even by its proponents.
Calm down Hurley you're gonna give yourself a heart attack. It's just a discussion, It's not some hammered out policy I've been working on for awhile.
This isn't a discussion, this is making shit up on the fly.
RUEZ @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:17 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
This isn't a discussion, this is making shit up on the fly.
No not really.
hurley_108 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:18 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Rather then all ridings I would be satisfied with running a candidate in every province and territory. I really can't believe we haven't done this already.
Backpedalling.
No. You just looking for an argument?
First you said all ridings, now you're backing down to all provinces and territories.
In case you hadn't noticed, there is only one seat per territory, but there aredozens of parties. You want them all on each of the three ballots for the three territories? That's insane.
I'm not looking for an argument, I'm exposing the lunacy of this BS.
hurley_108 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:19 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Like all the arguments concerning PR, prove our system is failing us first.
Bloc Quebecois.
Oooh, good one.
hurley_108 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:19 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
This isn't a discussion, this is making shit up on the fly.
No not really.
Yea, really.
RUEZ @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:20 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Like all the arguments concerning PR, prove our system is failing us first.
Bloc Quebecois.
Oooh, good one.
YOu're wierd.
DerbyX @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:24 am
What about independents? Bill Casey got kicked out of the CPC yet he was so popular in his riding that he fought as in INP and won by a large margin.
Will we eliminate them from running all together?
RUEZ @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:25 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
What about independents? Bill Casey got kicked out of the CPC yet he was so popular in his riding that he fought as in INP and won by a large margin.
Will we eliminate them from running all together?
No that wouldn't be fair.
Will we eliminate them from running all together?
bootlegga @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:26 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
First you said all ridings, now you're backing down to all provinces and territories.
In case you hadn't noticed, there is only one seat per territory, but there aredozens of parties. You want them all on each of the three ballots for the three territories? That's insane.
I'm not looking for an argument, I'm exposing the lunacy of this BS.
In case you hadn't noticed, there is only one seat per territory, but there aredozens of parties. You want them all on each of the three ballots for the three territories? That's insane.
I'm not looking for an argument, I'm exposing the lunacy of this BS.
hurley_108 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
What about independents? Bill Casey got kicked out of the CPC yet he was so popular in his riding that he fought as in INP and won by a large margin.
Will we eliminate them from running all together?
No that wouldn't be fair.Will we eliminate them from running all together?
But it is fair to force parties to come up with a minimum 13 candidates in order to be registered, is it?
DerbyX @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Like all the arguments concerning PR, prove our system is failing us first.
Bloc Quebecois.
That doesn't prove our system doesn't work. They follow all the same legal requirements the other parties do and any attempt to force them to run in all ridings can only be considered a democratic move against them deliberately which would very likely do exactly what Hurley said and simply drive support to them.
RUEZ @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am
What part of that are you agreeing with legga?
DerbyX @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:29 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
What about independents? Bill Casey got kicked out of the CPC yet he was so popular in his riding that he fought as in INP and won by a large margin.
Will we eliminate them from running all together?
No that wouldn't be fair.Will we eliminate them from running all together?
Exactly. Now we need to tweak the law to overlook there participation.
What about the First Peoples national party? Woefully underrepresented as is. Why bring in rules that further this?
bootlegga @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:52 am
I'm agreeing with Hurlet and the ridiculousness of requiring parties to run in every riding/province or territory.
If that was the case, Reform never would have gotten off the ground and the West would still be bitching about "wanting in".
Frankly, I'm glad that the BQ stay in Quebec. Otherwise they could take away votes from other real parties. Given that in a lot of issues they lean to the right, the Conservatives could lose votes too, especially here in Alberta where francophones feel totally ignored. And God forbid they actually got a seat somewhere else. Do you have any idea how much leverage that would give them, nevermind extra funding? No, the Bloc is a fringe party because of this policy and I'm glad for it.
Another bonus is that while it makes majorities a little harder harder to achieve, it also makes it easier for parties to win an election. Before there were three power blocks; Quebec, Ontario and the West/Maritimes. Win two and you get to sit in the PMO. Now it's far easier, because most of Quebec goes to someone else, so all you have to do is win big in one and hold your ground in the other, and you've won.