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For a non-partisan, your behaviour here is pretty hackish. You posted this first thing in the morning, and when it got no traction, you commented on it in the afternoon in a blatant attempt to push your agenda.

But yeah, you're not a partisan at all...

   

Funny, so are you.

   

That's pretty much my take as well.

   

......or not. Is it somewhat nebulous? Sure. Again, supports the concept of an LGR.....so do I. Also realized that the way it was implemented was decisive and the cost was outlandish which also contributed to its divisiveness. I think most Canadians would agree.

I wouldn't call that pandering, I would call it knowing of and speaking to your audience. You don't get to be a leader by looking at your audience and going out if your way to alienate them which us why he didn't like Northern Gateway in BC and didn't call them tar sands in Alberta.

Mulchair does a poor job of speaking to Alberta because he supposedly stands on principles and he gets pilloried. Trudeau tries to do better and speaks to Alberta about the good the oil sands can do and he gets pilloried.

That's nothing more than partisan hackery. Leading a country means making compromises. The CPC has got to where it's at by doing so then stopped when it got there. That'll cost them in the end. Trudeau is learning that lesson and Mulchair could stand to learn that lesson.

   

It's a failure. But if Quebeckers want it, they should be able to keep it. It's seems to me that he's saying "It's paid for anyway, so if you want it, you'll be allowed to keep it and I'll support your desire to do so."


Or realizes "Holy shit, there's an awful lot of CPC hacks out there that will twist every goddamn thing I say to stir shit and controversy where there is none. So, yeah, I better explain what I REALLY meant because there's a lot of dumb people out there who will believe Sun Media's spin on it."


Done.


The only pattern emerging is that the hacks will ferret out anything the other side says in an attempt to disturb shit.

   

It seems to you? Maybe because of your bias? If he'd used your words it wouldn't be an issue, but he didn't. You could easily be right, but thtere's no proof of that.


Seems to me it's his supporters are doing most of the spinning. I tend to think that anytime someone has to explain what they really meant... it usually means they're trying to establish some kind of consistency after the fact.


That goes both ways and it's a useful function of hacks. They point it out, we decide if it means anything. In this case I'm starting to see a guy who's trying to follow the classic Liberal pattern of being everything to everyone.

   

In a country as widely diverse as ours, I would expect that to be the ultimate requirement and challenge for a national leader.

Or, we can stick to the regional approach which is what we're stuck with and one which everyone seems to bitch about.

All that cake and eating it to, eh?

   

Seems like a pretty good assesment. Any realist knows that these kinds of issues will always be with us, but that's no reason not to point it out. I think staying on top iof these things and making the pols explain themselves every chance we get is what usually/hopefully keeps these issues from becoming more important than they are.

I personally, think it's ok to slant or massage your message depending who you're speaking to, but it needs to be the same message accross the board. Some people can do that some can't. So far, Trudeau has some learning to do.

If that's wanting to have my cake and eat it too... well fuck it, I'm a big man bake me two goddamn cakes!

   

Coming from you, that holds little weight. Arguably the most partisan, pro-Liberal guy I've ever seen on a forum, you got nerve calling out people for being hacks.

   

The proof is in the pudding OTI.

You showed your true colours during the last election and haven't stopped spouting their talking points since then. It's pretty funny when even other Conservative supporters here note it too.

But like you constantly proclaim, you're not a party hack.

Keep saying it, maybe you'll convince someone someday...then again, maybe not.

   

So you want to run back to last election when you called me out for my partisanship when in fact, you were the most active with this partisan posts?

That's right, you don't want to be reminded of that and you'll never address it either...you'll just point fingers and say "Yea, but your a hack....."

Worry about your own partisanship and hackery, you have enough on your plate with that alone. Call me whatever you like in the process, it means nothing coming from the kettle.

   

What bias is that? I thought my bias was against Trudeau. I could easily be right. That's because I don't need everything to spelled out, explicitly, to take meaning from others' statements. Dumb people don't get that. They need everything spelled out, slowly sometimes.


And I find that a lot of the time smart people have to dumb things down to dumb people who didn't get it the first time.


I disagree that hacks have a useful function. Their outrage at anything the other side does or stands for is not productive in any way. Remember a few years back, before we started engaging in American-style attack ad campaigning? Those were better times. All hackery has done for us is to drag the whole political process down. Look at FOX news and what it's done for American politics? Is that what's next for us too? I hope not, but I think so.

   

Go right ahead - just make sure you include ALL of my threads/posts, not just the political ones. If you do, what you'll find is that I started a dozens of threads, a handful of which were politically related. If 20% of my threads were politically motivated I would be surprised.

OTOH, every thread you started was politically related - and almost all of which were partisan attack threads - just like this one.

Coincidence - I think not...

I fully admit I start partisan threads, however, and this is a huge HOWEVER, it is not the sum total of my history here.

The difference between you and I - which basically everyone here, except you of course, understands - is that I post items to get conversation going - while you start conversations to attack Liberals and NDPers.

Talk to me sometime when you start conversations about sports, the military, entertainment or just about anything else for that matter.

Until then, you're the partisan hack, not I.

   

Really boots? Perhaps you should take a couple mouse clicks, check my posting history or even the topics I've added to the news feed and you'll see how wrong you are.

What's funny is that you think that you're less of a hack because you discuss other topics. I discuss many other topics too...apparently you didn't noptice but you're no less of a partisan hack because you post other things than just political topics because every political link you add or topic you post is generally anti-conservative or anti-republican.

We've both posted partisan topics and we're both active in other topics on this site. For you to take jabs at me for being partisan is just hilarious considering your past and current behaviour with your political posting.

   

   

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