U.S. House Democrats expect healthcare bill passage
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sandorski @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:24 am
Republicans are way overestimating what affect this will have in November. I predict disappointment for them.
Thanos @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:38 am
I doubt that anyone would call David Frum a liberal flake, given his conservative credentials, (the real kind of credentials found among serious conservatives, not the contemporary FOX/Beck/Limbaugh insane ones). He said the passage of the bill was definitely a Waterloo moment, but not for Obama. It was the last stand of the celebrity-nutcase/ideological-puritanist led extremism that calls itself "conservatism" in the US. "We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat."
Over time, American liberals will certainly over-reach, because they always do. Some sort of regulatory and economic stagnation will eventually occur, just as happened under Jimmy Carter. But all that means is that a rejuvenated, magnanimous, and morally decent conservatism under the next generation of Buckleys, Goldwaters, and Reagans, that's hopefully rid itself of the flakes and maniacs, will return again to push America back to the middle where it belongs. And that's the moderate and decent middle where it's interests have always been served best.
And the greater goal, that of bringing some financial security to those who need it when they get injured or fall seriously ill, will be served. And, just like every other modern country in the world, universal health care entitlement will be entrenched and won't be abolished. It'll become part of the American social fabric just as social security and Medicare have. Twenty years from now, in order to ingratiate themselves with different voting demographics after the politcal sway of the baby boomers finally comes to an end, Republicans will be defending universal care as much as they have Medicare over the last few years. It's inevitable. The hysterics of today will be deservedly forgotten and the cult of the "rugged individualist", proselytized so much by the irresponsible and disconnected rich people who now live so far outside of the struggles of the average person that they have absolutely nothing in common with them, will be shown to be only so much myth, propaganda, and outright lying.
It's a positive step forward. Good work, America. Yes, You Can!
ManifestDestiny @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:39 am
sandorski sandorski:
Republicans are way overestimating what affect this will have in November. I predict disappointment for them.
We will see but I think you are wrong.
ManifestDestiny @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:42 am
Thanos Thanos:
And the greater goal, that of bringing some financial security to those who need it when they get injured or fall seriously ill, will be served. And, just like every other modern country in the world, universal health care entitlement will be entrenched and won't be abolished. It'll become part of the American social fabric just as social security and Medicare have. Twenty years from now, in order to ingratiate themselves with different voting demographics after the politcal sway of the baby boomers finally comes to an end, Republicans will be defending universal care as much as they have Medicare over the last few years. It's inevitable. The hysterics of today will be deservedly forgotten and the cult of the "rugged individualist", proselytized so much by the irresponsible and disconnected rich people who now live so far outside of the struggles of the average person that they have absolutely nothing in common with them, will be shown to be only so much myth, propaganda, and outright lying.
It's a positive step forward. Good work, America. Yes, You Can!
I have to ask you a serious question. Are you gainfully employed and do you pay taxes?
ManifestDestiny @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:03 am
Any bill that is not good enough for congress (they have excempted themselves from the bill) Is not good enogh for me and my family.
xerxes @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:28 am
$1:
I have absolutely no idea what you said after the bolded portion. I'm sure everything below, from the English words I was able to pick out, was a bunch of rhetoric and bullshit, but still.
Sorry. I'm still getting used to typing on my iPhone.
BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:54 am
sandorski sandorski:
Republicans are way overestimating what affect this will have in November. I predict disappointment for them.
$100 says the GOP retakes Congress in the fall elections.
If you win I donate $100 to CKA, if I win you donate $100 to CKA...is it a bet?
BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:56 am
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Any bill that is not good enough for Congress (they have exempted themselves from the bill) Is not good enough for me and my family.
I agree.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:17 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sandorski sandorski:
Republicans are way overestimating what affect this will have in November. I predict disappointment for them.
$100 says the GOP retakes Congress in the fall elections.
If you win I donate $100 to CKA, if I win you donate $100 to CKA...is it a bet?
Geez, that sounds like a few months worth of allowance for Sandorski.
andyt @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:23 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Any bill that is not good enough for Congress (they have exempted themselves from the bill) Is not good enough for me and my family.
I agree.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/congress-exempt-from-health-bill/
$1:
Q: Does the health care bill specifically exempt members of Congress and their staffs from its provisions?
A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.
A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.
$1:
Those who already get insurance through Medicare, Medicaid, the military’s Tricare insurance program, or the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program wouldn’t be eligible. All federal employees, including members of Congress, fall under the FEHBP. Those who have coverage from a large employer wouldn’t be eligible, either, unless their coverage didn’t meet minimum benefits criteria or was deemed to be unaffordable.
andyt @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:26 am
http://factcheck.org/2010/03/a-final-weekend-of-whoppers/
$1:
A Final Weekend of Whoppers?
Health care legislation could be heading toward the final showdown. We look at the biggest falsehoods of the recent debate.
Health care legislation could be heading toward the final showdown. We look at the biggest falsehoods of the recent debate.
Scape @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:32 am
Cancer survivor loses her insurance because she had the audacity to move to a different address
Reuters reports on list of changes
BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:33 am
andyt andyt:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Any bill that is not good enough for Congress (they have exempted themselves from the bill) Is not good enough for me and my family.
I agree.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/congress-exempt-from-health-bill/
$1:
Q: Does the health care bill specifically exempt members of Congress and their staffs from its provisions?
A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.
A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.
$1:
Those who already get insurance through Medicare, Medicaid, the military’s Tricare insurance program, or the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program wouldn’t be eligible. All federal employees, including members of Congress, fall under the FEHBP. Those who have coverage from a large employer wouldn’t be eligible, either, unless their coverage didn’t meet minimum benefits criteria or was deemed to be unaffordable.
Exactly. Congress is exempt from the healthcare scheme they want to impose on America.
andyt @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:36 am
Read it again. So are the military, medicare and medicaid, and people who have coverage from a large employer. Sounds like the vast majority are exempt from this bill, so what's the fuss.
Aren't you in the military? So you're exempt? So why are you crying?
BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:43 am
andyt andyt:
Read it again. So are the military, medicare and medicaid, and people who have coverage from a large employer. Sounds like the vast majority are exempt from this bill, so what's the fuss.
The "fuss" is that the Congress has probably the most expensive health care plan in the world and people resent them for that.
$1:
Aren't you in the military? So you're exempt? So why are you crying?
Yes, I have "access" to VA health care. Which sucks ass. And that's why I pay out of my pocket for far superior care.
This new mandate is basically going to create an expensive sub-class of health care that will be needs-based (meaning someone decides if you actually need care) and most people will be denied...meaning they'll be forced to pay for care they won't receive.
If it works this way then the costs will be contained to around US $100 billion per year. If it doesn't work this way the costs are expected to be around $1 trillion per year.
Either way, this just isn't going to fly.
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