U.S. imposes preliminary duties up to 24% on 'subsidized' Ca
Newsbot @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:45 pm
Title: U.S. imposes preliminary duties up to 24% on 'subsidized' Canadian softwood lumber
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2017-04-25 06:52:15
Canadian
xerxes @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:45 pm
Who put this BS into Trump's twisted mind?
Robair @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:51 pm
What is this round five?
So far Canada - 4, USA - 0
Nothing's changed. Just a few assholes looking to make some short term bucks while the courts sort it all out again.
BartSimpson @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:59 pm
Robair Robair:
What is this round five?
So far Canada - 4, USA - 0
Nothing's changed. Just a few assholes looking to make some short term bucks while the courts sort it all out again.
So far Canada - 4, USA - 0
Nothing's changed. Just a few assholes looking to make some short term bucks while the courts sort it all out again.
You're right that Trump will lose this under NAFTA but he's a manipulator so the actual point here is he will use the decision on NAFTA to justify withdrawing from NAFTA.
xerxes @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:23 pm
And in the meantime, making homes more expensive to build for Americans. America First!
Canadian_Mind @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:21 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Robair Robair:
What is this round five?
So far Canada - 4, USA - 0
Nothing's changed. Just a few assholes looking to make some short term bucks while the courts sort it all out again.
So far Canada - 4, USA - 0
Nothing's changed. Just a few assholes looking to make some short term bucks while the courts sort it all out again.
You're right that Trump will lose this under NAFTA but he's a manipulator so the actual point here is he will use the decision on NAFTA to justify withdrawing from NAFTA.
Wouldn't make me cry. Would make CANZUK happen quicker.
herbie @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:22 pm
It's not NAFTA, never was.
They want to own our forests, cut the wood and ship it raw to larger mills with cheaper labour in the USA and then sell the denuded land. Anything else is a subsidy.
Canadian_Mind @ Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:23 pm
herbie herbie:
It's not NAFTA, never was.
They want to own our forests, cut the wood and ship it raw to larger mills with cheaper labour in the USA and then sell the denuded land. Anything else is a subsidy.
They want to own our forests, cut the wood and ship it raw to larger mills with cheaper labour in the USA and then sell the denuded land. Anything else is a subsidy.
Could be a double play
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:57 am
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DrCaleb @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:48 am
herbie herbie:
It's not NAFTA, never was.
They want to own our forests, cut the wood and ship it raw to larger mills with cheaper labour in the USA and then sell the denuded land. Anything else is a subsidy.
They want to own our forests, cut the wood and ship it raw to larger mills with cheaper labour in the USA and then sell the denuded land. Anything else is a subsidy.
The Dairy and Lumber issues Trump is saber rattling lately are not covered under NAFTA. They were specifically excluded.
Timber forests in the US are primarily privately owned. To harvest timber, there are market rates. In Canada, it's mostly Crown land, and the Crown sets rates. The people that sell timber in the US have decided that's "unfair" and a "subsidy" because government.
All our softwood disputes have been about US companies wanting to buy the Crown land for the right to sell timber. Every time we've challenged these import duties, we've won in court. Yes, I'm looking at you PM Harper.
Our WTO appeal would have won as well if he hadn't decided to surrender before the win.
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:16 am
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DrCaleb @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:25 am
Hehe, I like Trump touting 'America First', but when Canada decides it will go 'Canada First' and doesn't want inferior and subsidized US diafiltered milk - he gets his knickers in a knot. 
Milk, Corn, Cotton subsidies are fine, but don't 'subsidize' foreign lumber!
Robair @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:51 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
Subsidies benefit the importing nation much more than the subsidizing one. A foreign country's subsidization of their industry is like a free gift to the importing nation.
You just blew my mind.
Yea, makes sense. Never thought of it in those terms before.
Would plus rep, but alas I can't.
DrCaleb @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:13 am
Robair Robair:
Would plus rep, but alas I can't.
Send whisky. He likes that.
herbie @ Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:37 am
Pushes up the price of that border wall, doesn't it?