Winnipeg police chief touts prayer to help combat crime
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andyt @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:51 am
Wishing is much easier to swallow, but sounds weak, no? But since that's all a prayer is, it shows how weak his message is. "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."
Brenda @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:58 am
Strutz Strutz:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
That'd be different. This fellow is just saying to pray. He didn't say to who.
That's what I was about to say after reading through this thread. I think people hear "prayer" and automatically associate it with a Christian-based religion.
It has to do with religion, and not everyone is religious. The statement this man made, excludes non-religious people, like "Pray to Allah" would exclude Christians and non-religious people. I fail to see how the 2 are different.
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Acting police Chief Devon Clunis says he would like Winnipeggers of all faiths to pray for a better and safer city, as he believes people often find inspiration in prayer to take action and help one another.
Prayer may not directly help in reducing crime but it also does no harm. There is nothing wrong with wishing (if that is easier to swallow than praying) for something positive.
A police chief saying "We should all wish, because when we wish our neighbours are good, we don't have time to be bad ourselves" does not make any sense, does it?
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:07 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
RUEZ RUEZ:
I sure hope he has a backup plan when talking to an imaginary God doesn't clear up that crime.
Yeah, that's right. That's how he got the job cuz God did all the work for him. Grow up.
Right, I guess if growing up means I pray to Jebus to stop the crime, I'll pass.
No. Growing up means quit being an ass and suggesting that praying is all the Chief is gonna do about crime.
Brenda @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:08 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
No. Growing up means quit being an ass and suggesting that praying is all the Chief is gonna do about crime.
Who pissed in your cereal today?
And then they say I have PMS...
andyt @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:17 am
Brenda Brenda:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
No. Growing up means quit being an ass and suggesting that praying is all the Chief is gonna do about crime.
Who pissed in your cereal today?
And then they say I have PMS...
No, he's got a point.
Fuck, I'm all over the map on this. I don't really like the suggestion to prayer, because it does sound exclusionary. At the same time, people who pray and if it makes them act better, I'm all for that.
I'm sure the chief has a spokesperson. They need to sit down together and find ways that he can express the same sentiment without anybody feeling excluded.
Brenda @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:22 am
andyt andyt:
Brenda Brenda:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
No. Growing up means quit being an ass and suggesting that praying is all the Chief is gonna do about crime.
Who pissed in your cereal today?
And then they say I have PMS...
No, he's got a point.
Fuck, I'm all over the map on this. I don't really like the suggestion to prayer, because it does sound exclusionary. At the same time, people who pray and if it makes them act better, I'm all for that.
I'm sure the chief has a spokesperson. They need to sit down together and find ways that he can express the same sentiment without anybody feeling excluded.
No one is suggesting that praying is all the Chief is going to do. I don't care if people pray, but it is not the Chiefs place to say that. It may be the Chaplains place.
Again, if you replace "pray" with "wish", would his statement make any sense? For a police chief??
Strutz @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:33 am
Well, I'm not religious but I certainly do not feel excluded at all by his suggestion.
And just because I do not belong to any organized religion, nor was I raised being influenced by one, does NOT mean I do not have faith and do not pray. I just do not directly associate it with any particular "God".
I kind of get why some are so offended by all this but I'm not. If you don't like what he's suggesting then don't do it. Ignore it. Whatever. No different from ignoring suggestions from any other source.
EyeBrock @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:54 am
Another product of the behavioural interview process. I bet he aced his panel interview. Him being a chaplain is the best preparation for operational command eh?
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
andyt @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:57 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Another product of the behavioural interview process. I bet he aced his panel interview. Him being a chaplain is the best preparation for operational command eh?
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
We don't often agree, but I was wondering the same thing myself. Could he have been in the field before becoming a chaplain? Seems like out of left field to me.
BartSimpson @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:19 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Another product of the behavioural interview process. I bet he aced his panel interview. Him being a chaplain is the best preparation for operational command eh?
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
I pray, too. Just saying.
andyt @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:40 am
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On CBC's The Current on Wednesday, Clunis said he wanted to set the record straight.
He said he didn't just ask for prayer, but for action. He said he absolutely recognizes the root causes of crime need to be addressed, to bring down the level and severity of violence in the city.
But he still believes that treating people with kindness, as in prayer, can help.
“I do believe that will make a difference in our city — backing it up with action [with] all of us being better engaged in terms of creating a safer environment for all citizens of Winnipeg,” Clunis said.
He said he didn't just ask for prayer, but for action. He said he absolutely recognizes the root causes of crime need to be addressed, to bring down the level and severity of violence in the city.
But he still believes that treating people with kindness, as in prayer, can help.
“I do believe that will make a difference in our city — backing it up with action [with] all of us being better engaged in terms of creating a safer environment for all citizens of Winnipeg,” Clunis said.
EyeBrock @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:52 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Another product of the behavioural interview process. I bet he aced his panel interview. Him being a chaplain is the best preparation for operational command eh?
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
I pray, too. Just saying.
I know mate! I don't see anything wrong with praying. I just don't think being so vocal about it is such a good thing for a person leading a police service or any large, non-religious organisation. I think it speaks volumes about this guys lack of ability to lead a diverse group of people on a common mission.
Gunnair @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:52 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Another product of the behavioural interview process. I bet he aced his panel interview. Him being a chaplain is the best preparation for operational command eh?
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
Lions led by donkeys again. At least this donkey can pray.
I pray, too. Just saying.
That makes you little better than a leper here.
Honestly, the emotional shitstorm people get themselves into when somebody suggests something as harmless as prayer simply confounds me.
But I guess you gotta have something to get angry about.
RUEZ @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:53 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
No. Growing up means quit being an ass and suggesting that praying is all the Chief is gonna do about crime.
It shouldn't even be one of the things.
EyeBrock @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:55 am
People in a leadership role should remember that they are there to lead us all, not just those who pray. This just says that the secular types aren't part of the new command clique.
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