Bush and Saddam Should Both Stand Trial, Says Nuremberg Pros

Written By: Milton
Date: 2006-08-26 07:23:00
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Ferenccz said that after Nuremberg the international community realized that every war results in violations by both sides, meaning the primary objective should be preventing any war from occurring in the first place.

He said the atrocities of the Iraq war--from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the massacre of dozens of civilians by U.S. forces in Haditha to the high number of civilian casualties caused by insurgent car bombs--were highly predictable at the start of the war.

Which wars should be prosecuted? "Every war will lead to attacks on civilians," he said. "Crimes against humanity, destruction beyond the needs of military necessity, rape of civilians, plunder--that always happens in wartime. So my answer personally, after working for 60 years on this problem and [as someone] who hates to see all these young people get killed no matter what their nationality, is that you've got to stop using warfare as a means of settling your disputes."

Ferenccz believes the most important development toward that end would be the effective implementation of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which is located in the Hague, Netherlands.

This article may be read in its entirety at <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14699.htm">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14699.htm</a>

Now this IS one guy who won't be featured on "Cross Country Checkup". Oh well, old people just babble anyway...

From the site linked in the article:

"The court was established in 2002 and has been ratified by more than 100 countries. It is currently being used to adjudicate cases stemming from conflict in Darfur, Sudan and civil wars in Uganda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

But on May 6, 2002--less than a year before the invasion of Iraq--the Bush administration withdrew the United States' signature on the treaty and began pressuring other countries to approve bilateral agreements requiring them not to surrender U.S. nationals to the ICC.

Three months later, George W. Bush signed a new law prohibiting any U.S. cooperation with the International Criminal Court. The law went so far as to include a provision authorizing the president to "use all means necessary and appropriate," including a military invasion of the Netherlands, to free U.S. personnel detained or imprisoned by the ICC."

Nice to see King George II's respect for law and justice revealed in all it's megalomaniacal glory.

Arrest him, try him, and if found quilty toss his ass in prison until Hell freezes over. If found innocent, lock him up in a psychiatric unit so he'll never hurt, or possibly harm anyone ever again.

Oh well, a man is allowed to dream...

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Under order of the Empire all citizens and client states are to ignore international law when it applies to the Empire, its handlers or their mercenaries and minions.

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Michael

If anyone should know about war crimes trials it is Ferenccz. They had better bury that one quick! Maybe Ferenccz will "commit suicide".

They shouldn't stop there - the leaders of Israel should join the leader of Hamas, Osama bin Laden, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Blair and the rest of warmongerers. It would help reinforce earlier precedents, and scare the bejeebers out of any other world leaders from thinking they are above the law.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

>>"The current Bush administration discusses Iraq in starkly moralistic terms to further its goal of persuading a skeptical world that a preemptive and premeditated attack on Iraq could and should be supported as a "just war." The documents included in this briefing book reflect the realpolitik that determined this country's policies during the years when Iraq was actually employing chemical weapons. Actual rather than rhetorical opposition to such use was evidently not perceived to serve U.S. interests; instead, the Reagan administration did not deviate from its determination that Iraq was to serve as the instrument to prevent an Iranian victory. Chemical warfare was viewed as a potentially embarrassing public relations problem that complicated efforts to provide assistance. The Iraqi government's repressive internal policies, though well known to the U.S. government at the time, did not figure at all in the presidential directives that established U.S. policy toward the Iran-Iraq war. The U.S. was concerned with its ability to project military force in the Middle East, and to keep the oil flowing."<< 
 
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/</a>--- Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be. 
 
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.

>>"The covert operations undertaken by the United States have been demonstrated in many ways. A cursory list of the post-World War II operations would include efforts to influence outcome of elections in Western European countries during the early cold war, the 1953 overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran, the 1954 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala, the 1963 attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro in Cuba, the 1963 overthrow of Juan Bosch in the Dominican Republic, the 1964 defeat of rebel forces loyal to Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, the 1965 propaganda campaign to overthrow the Sukarno government in Indonesia, the 1967 provision of aid to overthrow George Papandreou and install George Papadopoulous in Greece, and involvement in the 1970 overthrow of Norodom Sihanouk in Cambodia.[1] More recently, the Reagan administration was accused of engaging in illegal covert propaganda activities designed to persuade the news media and the public to support its Central American policies.[2]"<< 
 
<a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA118.HTM">http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA118.HTM</a> 
--- Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be. 
 
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.

what kind of power the rest of the world, or the ICC, has over BushCo, the the US govt.

It would seem that basically only Britain is allied with the states in their policy.. although that is supposedly not how public opinion is, and new leaders could be elected?

Would the rising power of China and India be a good thing then? Any thoughts?

Of course not! That's Canajun, eh? He should go on FOX, and be beaten up.....er....."interviewed" by whatziz name O'Reilly.......

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"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."
- Justice Louis Brandeis

TORTURE: QUICK FACTS 
 
At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.[1] At least eight people were tortured to death. At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan;[2] 
 
At least 69 of the detainees died at locations other than Abu Ghraib;[3] 
 
At least 51 detainees have died in U.S. custody since Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was informed of the abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16, 2004;[4] 
 
12 deaths have led to punishments of U.S. personnel;[5] 
 
0 CIA personnel have been charged with wrongdoing in connection with alleged involvement in at least 5 deaths;[6] 
 
As of November 2005, over 83,000 people have been held in U.S. custody, and about 30,000 of those were entered “into the system,” and assigned internment serial numbers in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, and Afghanistan;[7] 
 
There have been nearly 600 criminal investigations into allegations of detainee abuse; each investigation tends to include more than one U.S. soldier, more than one instance of abuse, and more than one victim. Allegations against 250 Soldiers have been addressed in courts-martial, non-judicial punishments, and other adverse administrative punishments. The highest ranking military member judicially punished in connection with the death of a detainee is Marine Major Clarke Paulus, who was found guilty of maltreatment and dereliction of duty and dismissed from the service.[8] 
 
Reportedly 100-150 individuals have been rendered from U.S. custody to a foreign country known to torture prisoners, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan;[9] 
 
There are 6 main acknowledged U.S. detention facilities worldwide--3 in Iraq, 2 in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay;[10] 
 
There are approximately 25 transient facilities - field prisons designed to house detainees only for a short period until they can be released or transferred to a more permanent facility-in Afghanistan and Iraq;[11] 
 
There are believed to be at least 11 ‘secret’ detention locations used since September 2001. They are/were CIA facilities in Afghanistan, Guantanamo, Poland, Romania, and Jordan, detention facilities in Alizai, Kohat and Peshawar in Pakistan, a facility on the U.S. Naval Base on the island of Diego-Garcia, and detentions of prisoners on U.S. ships, particularly the USS Peleliu and USS Bataan.[12] 
 
Over 15,000 people are currently in U.S. detention in just Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. As of February 16, 2006, in Iraq, there were 14,389 detainees in U.S. custody; as of December 2005, the U.S. was holding approximately 500 detainees in Afghanistan; as of February 10, 2006 there are approximately 490 detainees held at Guantanamo Bay and one enemy combatants held in the U.S.;[13] 
 
36 prisoners are believed to be held in unknown locations;[14] 
 
At least 376 foreign fighters detained in Iraq to whom the Administration has asserted the Geneva Conventions do not apply;[15] 
 
There were up to 100 ghost detainees in Iraq;[16] 
 
The U.S. transferred at least one dozen prisoners out of Iraq for further interrogation in violation of the Geneva Conventions;[17] 
 
8 percent of 517 Guantanamo detainees were considered al Qaeda fighters by the U.S. Government. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection to al Qaeda or Taliban.[18] 
 
5 percent of the 517 detainees held at Guantanamo were captured by the United States and the majority of those currently in custody were turned over by other parties during a time when the United States was offering large sums for captured prisoners.[19] 
 
At least 267 detainees have been released from Guantanamo Bay since January 2002. 187 were released out right, and 80 were transferred to their home countries for continued detention;[20] 
 
38 detainees at Guantanamo determined not to be enemy combatants pursuant to CSRT and at least 23 detainees subsequently released; 558 CSRTS conducted in total[21] 
 
As of February 9, 2006, the military had completed its first round of Administrative Review Board (ARB) hearings, resulting in 463 board recommendations of which Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon R. England, the Designated Civilian Official for ARBs decided to allow 14 releases (3 percent), 120 transfers (26 percent) and to continue to detain 329 individuals (71 percent);[22] 
 
<a href="http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/misc/factsheet.htm">http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/misc/factsheet.htm</a>--- Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be. 
 
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.

I'm with you on that one Roy!

But of course, Bush has already said he "doesn't care about Bin Laden". Bush isn't about to "take out" Bin Laden as that would nullify his biggest propaganda piece.

Of course, many people are of the opinion that Bin Laden is already dead and that the tapes released since the invasion of Afghanistan were made by a double. I looked at old photos of Bin Laden and the new video, and I have to say that its a distinct possibility that it is a double. One just has to look at the 20 or so Saddam Hussain doubles used to foil assassination attempts to realize that doubles are astonishingly easy to find.