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<blockquote>It could be 4, it could be 6 milion, or even more for all we know. Whatever, it was a ghastly atrocity. Only fools, anti-semites, nazis or people with some kind of mental bloc would deny that it happened at all.</blockquote> Yes, I agree. Even if only 1 solitary Jew was killed simply because he or she was a Jew, it would still be a horrible event. However, we almost NEVER hear about all the other people who were killed along with the Jews. In fact, many times more people who were not Jews were killed during WWII in equally horrific ways - and many were killed by the "good side". Why do we know almost nothing about the majority of victims and how they died? Why is it that only one tiny group (by comparison) gets so much attention, while the vast sea of killings have gone by the wayside? Are we supposed to think that one group was more important or meaningful or atrocious than another? As far as I'm concerned, and no one will ever change my mind on this, one innocent life lost is exactly equal to another. I really would like to see someone try and explain why we're being taught that one particular horrific event was more ghastly than all the other equally horrific events? And why is it that a miniscule band of neo-nazi nut cases get so much attention, when if they were simply ignored, no one would ever know in a million years that they existed? <blockquote>Get off it! There is no comparison to the 911 conspiracy.</blockquote> I see your point, however I was not talking about covering up the Holocaust or lying about it. I was talking about how the holocaust has been used to manipulate people, silence people, and discredit people (etc). For example, the Holocaust was used as a reason to create Israel even though that reason appears to not be the true reason (if I'm correct, then that's a rather big lie if you ask me, easily rivaling 9/11). The creation of Israel has been the primary source of decades of violence. Israel uses the Holocaust to this day to play the eternal victim while it commits war crimes no better than anything the Nazis did to the Jews. Criticism of Israel's actions almost always brings up calls of "anti-semitism" even though such criticisms are legitimate and have nothing to do with anti-semitism. The list of Holocaust manipulation goes on and on. <blockquote>No one, except a tiny handful of Stalinist fanatics denies that it happened. So too with the Holocaust. It could be 4, it could be 6 milion, or even more for all we know.</blockquote> It is against the law in Germany and Austria to question the official version of Holocaust even in minuteness. From my research (unless someone can show otherwise), I concluded that Ernst Zundel and David Irving never once denied the Holocaust, yet both are in prison only because they legitimately questioned the exact figures and at least some of the methods used to accomplish the killings (gas chambers specifically). They also questioned if there were official orders to kill Jews or not, which seems to be the main reason for their imprisonment (to my knowledge there is no hard evidence showing an official order to kill Jews, although that does not mean such a thing was unofficially encouraged, which however opens up a rather large can of worms for debate - but some people do NOT want to see a debate!). I know that there are other lesser known individuals in prison for more or less the same thought crime. -------- If anything I've said in here can be shown to be NOT true, then please, by all means set the record straight! I am always in a state of learning, and not everything I think I know today is fixed in stone. I don't think I'm wrong, but someone may present evidence that'll forever change my mind.

PS: I thought this is worth reading considering what I've been trying to argue: <a href="http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm">WAR IS A RACKET</a> Thanks PatM for posting this link! When it comes to war, almost nothing reported as the truth is the truth.

The equation “criticism of Israel = antisemitism” is something that many of us have fought at Vive for a long time. It is just a variant of “criticism of US foreign policy = anti-Americanism” that we get thrown at us all the time by neocons. Both are Nazi-like slanders. People who are concerned with peace in the Middle East are also well aware of how Israel uses the Holocaust to justify its own crimes. The laws which you speak of in Germany and Austria are not some kind of attempt at cover-up but an over-reaction to their Nazi heritage, and interestingly enough a reflection of the very authoritarianism that helped give rise to Nazism in the first place. As for being “no official order for extermination” , one could again say the same about most of Stalin's victims. While “Trotskyite-Bukharinite Gestapo agents” were shot in the basement of Lubyanka prison and listed as executed traitors, most who went to the camps did so as prisoners doing time. Trouble is most of them didn't live more than 6 months. Hence, one could say there was no official order to kill them. But who in their right mind would deny that it was not the wishes of Stalin and his henchmen? Then there is the history of racist countries and the treatment of minorities deemed “inferior”. I do not know of a SINGLE instance of a country imbued with racist and social darwinist ideology that did not commit crimes against such minorities. Look how Canada, the mildest and most liberal of countries, committed cultural genocide against and stole the territories of Native People due to the racist assumptions of its political leadership. Now take the Nazis, a cult with the most extreme manifestation of racist, social darwinist and eugenicist ideology that ever existed. A country that cheerfully killed its mentally ill and retarded years before they set about massacring the “racially inferior.” That they wouldn't attempt to exterminate Jews, Gypsies and other people they regarded as sub-human, would be extraordinarily unlikely, nothing short of a miracle in fact. Attempts to say that the Nazis somehow never intended to commit mass murder is nothing more than a whitewash.

"Look how Canada, the mildest and most liberal of countries, committed cultural genocide against and stole the territories of Native People due to the racist assumptions of its political leadership."

Imagine what our history books would look like had the natives won the war. My guess is that our history would be just as skewed and biased as it already is, but tilted exclusively in favor of the natives point of view. Human nature dictates that we would be manipulated and lied to in the exact same way as we are now.

A fine example of logical fallacy, rearguard. This is called a red herring. What might have happened had the FN won, has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand, which is about how racist idedology inevitably leads to crimes against minorities deemed "inferior."

Often a minority can control a majority (the current government of Canada is a fine example of this). A minority group can view a majority group as being inferior, such a thing happens all the time. The size of one group over another has nothing to do with determining which group will hold racist views or have the most power. What I'm complaining about has little to do with racism anyway. The issue at hand from my POV, is that we're being manipulated and bullied by a well connected and funded group who are using past events that none of us had anything to do with.

You still don't get it do you? I give up. You can take a horse to water...

Looks like you don't get what I've been trying to argue either.

Shall we agree to disagree about whatever it may be that we both "don't get"?