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Harper government to announce more prison expansions

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Newsbot @ Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:17 am

Title: Harper government to announce more prison expansions
Topic: Canadian News
Written By: NAUWATCH
Date: Wednesday, January 12 at 20:04
By Rob Tripp
The number of penitentiaries listed for expansion in a $2-billion federal prison-building boom will rise to more than two dozen Monday as Conservative MPs make announcements on eight prisons in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Quebec.

Postmedia News has learned that three minimum-security prisons in Ontario are each expected to get 50 new cells. A 96-cell addition at Quebec’s medium-security Cowansville Institution is also anticipated, along with new cells at another Quebec prison.

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robertjb @ Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:17 am

Harper is once again following the lead of his Washington bosses where building prisons/incarceration has become a major national industry. An evil that goes with this is the indescriminate use of solitary confinement. At one time it was a selective punishment for the most hardened criminals, now it is becoming common place and is clearly being used as a form a torture.

   



RickW @ Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:18 pm

Harper will be full of it (annuncements) as he heads into a very confrontational pre-election budget, designed to back the opposition into a corner where either they allow him to govern as though he has a majority, or they will pull the plug and force an election (likely), whereupon Harper will berate them for causing an unnecessary expense during this shaky recovery..........

   



Lightwave780 @ Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:08 pm

The word is "PRIVATIZATION" . Prisons for profit! It happened all over the United States, and while our county has been transformed into nothing less then more US federally controlled states, everyone sleeps.

CANADA the corporation
http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar ... e&count=40

Registered in the US. Been that way for a long time. CANADA is not a Sovereign country. How can it be if it is subject to the US Securities and Exchange Commission subject to UCC (universal commercial code).

Sovereign means to self govern.

Check out their search feature
http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html Search by country , you can't because Canada is not listed as a country, and the provinces are listed as States.

Need I say more?

Declare yourself Sovereign, take back your reality and dignity. Look up section 15 in the criminal code of Canada.

Obedience to de facto law
15.No person shall be convicted of an offence

in respect of an act or omission in obedience to
the laws for the time being made and enforced by
persons in de facto possession of the sovereign
power in and over the place where the act or
omission occurs.

I'm off to court on Jan 20 in Sparwood BC to prove all of the above. I was arrested and thrown in jail for two weeks for driving with out license and insurance. I did it three times to get them to take me to court so that I can challenge the so called governments right to govern those that declare sovereignty.

The original government of Canada was created to protect individuals rights and freedoms, and what we now have it corporate rule, call FASCISM.


CANADA HAS thrown it's sovereignty away for a corporate position in order to keep their root power over the people that have been deceived.

Check your driver's license, it's in all caps lettering indicating that it is a corporation, and they own that corporation, you just sign your life away to be accountable for it.

What a sad state of affairs. Need I say more?

   



kenmore @ Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:00 pm

Don't you love extremism and the totalitarian government sytle of King Harper.
His answer ( to appease the bible thumping right wing) is to create a police state and throw all offenders, young and old in prison and throw away the key.
Insult farmers by saying their craft is useless. Time to topple him from his throne.

   



Individualist @ Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:14 pm

kenmore kenmore:
Don't you love extremism and the totalitarian government sytle of King Harper.
His answer ( to appease the bible thumping right wing) is to create a police state and throw all offenders, young and old in prison and throw away the key.
Insult farmers by saying their craft is useless. Time to topple him from his throne.


I realize that the idea of actually holding individuals accountable for their actions rather than blaming all bad behaviour on "systemic" social conditions or finding law-abiding but unpopular scapegoats (such as rural Canadians and hunters) is foreign to Liberals, but there are other methods for dealing with crime besides the standard Liberal "hug-a-thug" measures. Basketball courts and social workers are not by themselves a solution for crime.

   



RickW @ Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:58 pm

We are what we eat, Indie!

And you cannot discard the notion that we are products of our environment, at least in part. Well, you can - but you would be wrong.

   



Individualist @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:54 am

RickW RickW:
We are what we eat, Indie!

And you cannot discard the notion that we are products of our environment, at least in part. Well, you can - but you would be wrong.


I don't deny the role of environment in shaping a person, just as I hope you don't discard the notion of free will and personal choice. A hard luck story though doesn't justify or excuse criminal behaviour, particularly of the violent variety. To believe otherwise is essentially to give licence to certain classes and categories of people to commit terrible acts.

I'll focus on crimes against the person here, because I know you leftish folks aren't very comfortable with the concepts of property and property rights. In fact, I'm sure many of you consider theft perpetrated against a relatively wealthier person to be social justice through the back door. Who knows though? Maybe one or two of you consider an assault against a richer person as falling under the same category (social justice Mugabe style).

For my part, I consider stealing my car to be a far greater violation of me and my rights than slapping me in the face, but I know that's likely not a popular stance here (or in the Canadian judiciary).

I think of the philosophical debate regarding the existence of free will. I forget whose argument this was, but the jist of it was that we have to assume free will, otherwise we would be forced to allow anyone to do anything without any kind of moral accountability.

The way I think of it is that a bleeding heart means less oxygen is getting to your brain. Anytime I need reminding of that, I just read the Toronto Star.

   



kenmore @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:26 am

Individualist Individualist:
kenmore kenmore:
Don't you love extremism and the totalitarian government sytle of King Harper.
His answer ( to appease the bible thumping right wing) is to create a police state and throw all offenders, young and old in prison and throw away the key.
Insult farmers by saying their craft is useless. Time to topple him from his throne.


I realize that the idea of actually holding individuals accountable for their actions rather than blaming all bad behaviour on "systemic" social conditions or finding law-abiding but unpopular scapegoats (such as rural Canadians and hunters) is foreign to Liberals, but there are other methods for dealing with crime besides the standard Liberal "hug-a-thug" measures. Basketball courts and social workers are not by themselves a solution for crime.


I happen to believe in rehab. I agree there is a percentage that cannot be. However, I worked in corrections and I seen first hand some that reformed. Young people who commit small time crimes for the first time do not benefit from being incarcerated with seasoned criminals. There are many myths regarding the conditions in prisons and trust me its not all rosey as some people think.
harper is spouting the politics of fear and if you lisened to him you would think we are Mexico north. There are those who believe people can change. How about harper spending time restructuring the immigration/illigal entry situation.

   



RickW @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:13 am

"A hard luck story though doesn't justify or excuse criminal behaviour, particularly of the violent variety"
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... 09TUNIS492

$1:
Many Tunisians are frustrated by the lack of political freedom and angered by First Family corruption
"I'm sure many of you consider theft perpetrated against a relatively wealthier person to be social justice through the back door"
http://www.answers.com/topic/robber-baron

Harper playing catch-up?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world ... 53738.html

   



Individualist @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:18 am

kenmore kenmore:
I happen to believe in rehab. I agree there is a percentage that cannot be. However, I worked in corrections and I seen first hand some that reformed. Young people who commit small time crimes for the first time do not benefit from being incarcerated with seasoned criminals. There are many myths regarding the conditions in prisons and trust me its not all rosey as some people think.
harper is spouting the politics of fear and if you lisened to him you would think we are Mexico north. There are those who believe people can change. How about harper spending time restructuring the immigration/illigal entry situation.


I have no doubt that people can change, but one of the best ways to reinforce criminal behaviour is to send the message the committing a crime is the best way to get the stroking and attention you didn't get from your parents.

Perhaps the biggest problem with applying the hug-a-thug approach (particularly in its "restorative justice" flavour) is that it reduces the criminal's victims to mere collateral damage in the poor dear's life struggles.

   



Individualist @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:01 pm

RickW RickW:
"A hard luck story though doesn't justify or excuse criminal behaviour, particularly of the violent variety"
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... 09TUNIS492
$1:
Many Tunisians are frustrated by the lack of political freedom and angered by First Family corruption
"I'm sure many of you consider theft perpetrated against a relatively wealthier person to be social justice through the back door"

http://www.answers.com/topic/robber-baron

Harper playing catch-up?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world ... 53738.html


It's funny. I always thought this kind of "That's nothing, see what these rich guys are doing!" tangent was a conscious debating tactic, a kind of chaff tossed out to distract the opponent. But I've come to the conclusion that it is impossible for most of you on the left to see crime or pretty much any other issue in a way other than through the equality/inequality lens. In your worldview, simply being more wealthy or powerful than the other person places you automatically in the wrong. You're incapable of seeing the world in any other way.

This explains why the left can be properly outraged at violence against women, children or other relatively vulnerable persons, but seems less concerned about crimes where the power imbalance is not so obvious.

Perhaps I can put things in perspective. If someone is being stabbed to death in a parkade, it doesn't matter if the person bleeding on the concrete was attacked while walking to his Lexus or while pushing a shopping cart full of aluminum cans he spent the day collecting. The guy holding the knife is the one with the power. That's the only power imbalance that matters at that moment.

That having been said, I believe that we need to be as harsh with white-collar crime as with street crime. Theft is theft. No prison should be a "country club".

   



RickW @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:14 pm

$1:
Theft is theft.

AIG
But no, they get rewarded for the ripoff. So people such as yourself go after the "little guy" who smokes a joint or shoplifts.

Then there are those who become obscenely wealthy acting as "intermediaries" for American foreign aid, such as the Karzais and the President of Tunisia.

Then there is the present day "peace in our time" give away of Tibet to the Chinese - just so Big Business can make a buck.

Crime goes hand-in-hand with justice. If none of the latter is perceived, crime rates go up exponentially.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/12/0082756

   



robertjb @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:36 pm

Something worth reading:

"The American way of Torture"

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn01072011.html

   



robertjb @ Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Quotation from Cockburn's article:

"On the home front torture as a drastic mode of social control flowered luxuriantly in the America�s prison system, whose population began to rocket up in the 1970s to its present 2.5 million total. Sanctioned male rape goes hand in hand with increasingly sadistic solitary confinement with prolonged sensory deprivation � a condition in which some 25,000 prisoners are currently being driven mad."

So Harper follows the American way...

   



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