Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

Written By: Spanky
Date: 2007-08-25 15:50:37
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I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive". Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error. But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter. Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs. Full article posted at: <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece">Robert Fisk:Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11</a>

Very interesting. Now if we could just get Chomsky and other prominent left 'gate keepers' to admit the obvious as well, we could see a real independant investigation take place.

When you look at the official conspiracy theory that 19 Muslim cave dwellers armed with box cutters tricked the $4o billion/year U.S. intelligence agencies, not once, but four times on that fateful day of 9/11, this story is so inadequate and far fetched, that there must be a different one.

Thanks for the article.

If you really want to know what is going on in this world Robert Fisk's Book(all 1286 pages):The Great War for Civilization;The Conquest of the Middle East is absolutely compelling. I am reading it presently and would love to put aside everything and just read it through.

History is always interesting but when it is told by a journalist who has lived these events at the risk of life and limb it becomes ever so vivid. Fisk has a depth of experience and understanding of the issues that is irresistable.

Fisk is a giant among journalists as he refuses to pull his punches and tells it as he sees it.

It is one of the most remarkable books of our time and you can be sure there won't be any copies lying around the White House where illiteracy and ignorance abound.

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Robert Billyard

Here's a response to Fisk in the form of an open letter I found posted at <a href="http://www.911blogger.com">www.911blogger.com</a> 
 
Dear Mr. Fisk, 
 
I found your recent article published in The Independent on 25th August 2007, very interesting indeed. 
 
It is a welcome change that a highly respected journalist as yourself, described by the New York Times as "probably the most famous foreign correspondent in Britain", finally has some "questions". Great! However, there are some insinuations in your article that suggest you have not informed yourself about the wealth of factual, undisputed evidence that is available in support of the 9/11 Truth position, while at the same time you have introduced new “evidence” which on the face of it seems rather ill-considered, and for which you provide no references. 
 
Firstly, however, I want to point out that the tone of this article is very self-serving and insulting to many who have been researching this subject for years. These people you call "ravers", are in reality people like me who got fed up with the stone-walling of mainstream media on the most important single issue of our time. This is enough to make anyone with a conscience angry. I am angry, and you should be angry too. Anger is warranted here. 
 
You said: 
 
“Usually, I have tried to tell the ‘truth’; that while there are unanswered questions about 9/11, I am the Middle East correspondent of The Independent, not the conspiracy correspondent; that I have quite enough real plots on my hands in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, etc, to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan.” 
 
Mr. Fisk, nobody wants to be a “conspiracy theorist”! We are driven to this by conscience, and because we see that if we don’t speak up that the tyrants will simply have their way unopposed. Ultimatey, we speak out because we know that if the crimes of 9/11 are allowed then our liberal democratic way of life is over, and we would be fools to expect to be safe from the murderous cabal which is pulling the strings of world governments. 
 
According to your wikipedia entry, you interviewed Osama Bin Laden no less than three times, yet you claim that investigating 9/11 is outside the scope of your professional expertise. Why, for example, have you remained silent all this time about the glaring discrepancies in the famous "Fatty" bin Laden confession tape released by the Pentagon on December 13, 2001? Surely you agree that, even if we trust the CIA “authentication” of this tape, the use of a blurry video to justify an invasion of a sovereign nation is a type of propaganda which is worthy of Joseph Goebbels? 
 
Immediately after 9/11 you were stationed in Pakistan. Surely you are aware of the report from the Times of India that ISI Director-General Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad authorised the wiring of $100,000 to lead 9/11 Hijacker Muhammed Atta? You probably also know that General Ahmad was in the US when the attacks occurred and that he had meetings at the State Department after the attacks on the WTC, and that he also had a regular consultations with his US counterparts at the CIA and the Pentagon during the week prior to September 11? 
 
I say probably - because you were stationed in Pakistan shortly after 11th September 2001. However, I may be wrong - if so I impore you to investigate this story and write it up in The Independent. 
 
SNIP 
 
Perhaps you are simply unaware of the mountain of factual evidence which can be adduced in support of the proposition that 9/11 was an “inside job” rather than an attack by a foreign enemy. If so, can I suggest you visit <a href="http://www.911truth.org">www.911truth.org</a> , <a href="http://www.911blogger.com">www.911blogger.com</a> and my own website <a href="http://www.911oz.com">www.911oz.com</a> without further delay. 
 
Finally Mr. Fisk, are you prepared to take the next step by showing real support for the 9/11 Truth Movement and addressing the real issues? If so, you will have to be prepared to lose some of your current privileges. You may have to quit your job. You may have to face the scorn of your colleagues and the wrath of trained attack-dogs such as George Monbiot, who will surely write an article insinuating you have lost your marbles and need to be "retired"? Are you prepared to be marginalised and ignored by the all the press except for these scathing attacks? 
 
This is what you must face. 
 
best regards, 
Hereward Fenton 
<a href="http://www.911oz.com">www.911oz.com</a> 
 
Open letter posted at: 
<a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/10878">http://www.911blogger.com/node/10878</a>

The world has always been ruled by conspiracies. This is not a theory, but an easily proven historical fact. Ruling sectors have to conspire to be able to control, collectivize, rob, steal and murder to maintain their power under the guise of ideologies and religions.

This is why we now have the SPP and all the phoney "free trade agreements" to curb and destroy democracy and control the economy.

If these are not conspiracies, what the hell are they ?

Ed Deak.

Yes! What indeed?
The point I have been emphasising exactly and those who conspire do not do it in back alleys, theydoing in the real halls of power.
For the record: Idonnot believe all is hopeless as some of my detractors would like to believe
I feel a rnt coming on and will cut t off for the the time being
Well said Ed Deak!

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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

William Blake

I suspect that there's a very good reason why people such as Fisk and Chomsky get wide spread attention through the one-way broadcasting methods that have been set up by the establishment.

Fisk, and Chomsky in particular, have lost a great deal of credibility due to ignoring the obvious scam surrounding 9/11. The loss of credibility is by far the worse for Chomsky because he has openly attempted to do the impossible by defending the official version of events.

Since it has become undeniable that 9/11 is a scam, and it has become obvious that just about everyone knows this to be true, there's really no more point in either Fisk or Chomsky trying to either ignore or defend the scam.

At this point in time, to ignore or defend the 9/11 scam can only compromise the entire point of having a controlled opposition, therefore the best thing a controlled opposition can do, is to openly and directly deal with the 9/11 scam, but in a way that minimizes or deflects the damage.

So, you can expect to see more "gate keepers" come "clean" on 9/11, but we must continue to be wary of anyone of prominence who either ignored or defended the 9/11 scam for this much time.

University of Massachusetts Professor Calls For New 9/11 Investigation 
 
The 9/11 tragedy is the most successful and most perverse publicity stunt in the history of public relations. I arrive at this conclusion largely as the result of the research and clear writing by David Ray Griffin in his fabulous books about 9/11. I first met him when he was a speaker at a scholarly conference unrelated to 9/11. He immediately impressed me as a brilliant, outstanding philosopher - theologian - author, a Whiteheadian scholar motivated by an intense curiosity to know everything possible about the world. 
 
On the plane home and for the next two days I did little else but read Griffin’s first book about 9/11, The New Pearl Harbor. From there I went on to read his even more disturbing account of the bogus 9/11 Commission Report, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, which provides overwhelming evidence that the official story is contradictory, incomplete, and unbelievable. 
 
It is clear to me that David Ray Griffin and his fellow critics are correct: the 9/11 "new Pearl Harbor" was planned in astonishing detail and carried out through the efforts of a sophisticated and large network of operatives. It was more complex and far more successful than the Allende assassination, the US bombing of our own ship the "Maine" that began the Spanish-American war (and brought us Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Philippines), the Reichstag fire that was used to justify the suspension of most civil liberties in Germany in the 1930's, and even Operation Himmler, which was used by Germany to justify the invasion of Poland, which started World War II. 
 
Continued here: 
 
<a href="http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/260807_b_investigation.htm">http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/260807_b_investigation.htm</a>

does anybody know the names of the two mechanical engineers he mentions in the article?

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"George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours." - John Godfrey, MP for Don Va

I am not sure who exactly Fisk is referring to, but maybe one of them is the Scottish Mechanical Engineer Gordon Ross. Here's a link to a paper of his published on the Journal of 911 Studies web site. Momentum Transfer Analysis of the Collapse of the Upper Storeys of WTC 1 Author: The author of this work, Gordon Ross, was born in Dundee, Scotland. He holds degrees in both Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, graduating from Liverpool John Moores University, in 1984. He can be contacted at [email protected]. Summary: This paper examines the elastic loading and plastic shortening phases of the columns of WTC 1 after impact of the upper 16 storeys of the building upon the lower storeys and its effect on the momentum transfer after the collision. An energy balance is derived showing that there is an energy deficit before completion of the plastic shortening phase that would not allow the collapse to continue under the constraints of this paper. Continued at: <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Journal_5_PTransferRoss.pdf">journal of911studies.com</A> Here is his web site: <a href="http://gordonssite.tripod.com">http://gordonsite.tripod.com</a> Here's a lecture he did on the 911 WTC collapses (not too technical) posted on Google video: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4801566025292753615">Gordon Ross Video</a>

Found this article on the web site of <A href="http://ae911truth.org">Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth</A> Charles Pegelow, BS CE – Civil Engineer with more than 25 years experience in structural design and analysis and project management of construction of major projects, including large steel structures. Essay 9/25/06: "The FEMA / Kean Commission Report was a flawed investigation. Comments on Some of NIST's FAQs by Charles Pegelow As an introduction: The FEMA / Kean Commission Report was a flawed investigation. The most important tool of any criminal investigators is the eyewitness and first responder accounts; if for no other reason, they were there at the scene. For example, the first thing the police do at an accident scene is to gather all witness accounts and within a week the insurance companies are also telephoning the witnesses to take their testimony. In addition to the NYFD, the NYPD also had reported finding a suspicious device and another report stated than they thought a van in the basement of WTC1 had exploded with a bomb. In addition to the firemen calling the Commission a cover up, there are the victim's family organizations that are saying the same thing. To give you some perspective on what a comprehensive, thorough, scientific investigation looks like, please recall the Space Shuttle Columbia accident. Although there may remain minor questions concerning some of the periphery conclusions, the report, on the whole, stands without major dispute within the scientific community. Contrast this with the FEMA 9/11 report and its major inconsistencies. The commission did gather many experts but did not provide them with the full information they needed. FEMA hampered and distorted the investigation of the professionals they hired. For example, Mr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl stated before the Committee on Science of the U.S. House of Representatives 6 March 2002 Hearing: FEMA did not provide "videotapes and photographs taken on 9/11 and the following days and copies of the engineering drawings. At this time, having the videotapes, photographs and copies of the drawings not only is useful, but also is essential in enabling us to conduct any analysis of the collapse and to formulate conclusions from our effort"; the same story of hampering investigations comes from other scientists and engineers, see Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center. on 26 October 2004 An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11. In conclusion, FEMA / Kean Commission Report was a flawed investigation and it needs to be reopened. More at: <A href="http://ae911truth.org/info/9">http://ae911truth.org/info/9</a> Why Are Architects and Engineers Re-examining the WTC Collapses? — Richard Gage, AIA The 6 years since 9/11/01 has given us the time and space to emerge from the hypnotic trance of the shocks of these attacks and to rationally evaluate the existing and new evidence that has become available. Architects and Engineers are trained to design buildings that function well and withstand potentially destructive forces. However, the 3 high-rise buildings at the World Trade Center which "collapsed" on 9/11 (the Twin Towers plus WTC Building #7) presented us with a body of evidence (i.e.controlled demolition) that was clearly outside the scope of our training and experience. In addition, the shock that hit us on that date from the repeated attacks and staggering loss of life has limited our ability to rationally evaluate what really happened. We therefore found ourselves relying solely upon the judgment of outside "experts"... and, quite willing to, "go along" with the collective myth that has unfolded: that "the buildings failed structurally due to the aircraft impacts and resulting fires". After all, we saw the aircraft slam into the building, the resulting huge fireball, and the ensuing "collapses". There is however a growing body of very solid evidence regarding these "collapses" that has emerged in the last couple of years - gaining ground even in the mainstream media. This new evidence casts grave doubt upon the theories of the 9/11 building collapse "experts" as well as the official reports by the 9/11 Commission, FEMA, and NIST. More at: <a href="http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4">http://www.ae911truth.org/info/4</a>

I'm currently reading (finally, it's hefty!) Mike Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon" which discusses far more than 9-11, not least of which is the ongoing use of drug dealing by government, intelligence and corporations to access liquid cash in huge amounts to continue to float the world economy.

911 was an American Job, and if enough of them accept it, then they need to get off their fat asses, burn down the white house, and hang the bastards from lamp poles.

If they don't, then they should shut up and get back to serving the fascist empire (which is largely what they have done).

We in Canada do not have the power nor the luxury of such a choice. We are the mouse, stuck in the shadow of the elephant, terrified to speak less it roll over. We'd love to be the barbarians at the gates of Rome as it falls, but going up against an AH-64 with a rifle doesn't appeal to me (although some Iraq freedom fighters have had some good success in that regard)

There are only two outcomes from 911.

Revolution or Subservience.

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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”