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Adopting the software used by DailyKOS might not be a bad idea, if you can get your hands on it. Vive seems to be a sort of sister organization, so they might be willing to play along. To me, it seems much more pleasant to use, but I'm not sure how others feel about it.

   

Ok, this has got me riled. First I agree with whoever above said, why are we discussing the 'anon' suggestion for the Future of Vive? That makes no sense, most of the posters are regulars, we are all welcoming to new posts, we love to debate and discuss all issues, but for the most part we are committed to one thing, 'A FRee Sovereign Canada' and we are trying to find the best way to get there through discussion at the grass root level.

So it would seem that this anon is attempting to turn vive into something it isn't, I don't think Jesse, you need to make all these changes you mentioned above to please one person. I really get a sense here that one individual is trying to determine the Future of Vive by their criteria, their agenda which is unknown. Vive was created some time ago, the idea of partisan influence is just b.s. and a lame attack against Susan.

Also it seems to be an attempt to keep our focus off the issues and on to something which is a non-issue. I think Dr. Caleb and Jesse are doing a terrific job, I think the moderaters are terrific and I really appreciate the site and the opportunity to discuss what we as average citizens can do to develop our country for the future. That is the focus, this poster irritates me, in that to post anon and then make demands as to how the site should be run, is a little like my neighbor coming to my house telling me how to run it! Oh, I know it's not my house, but it is already a good place to debate safely, not too much garbage, good censorship in the race/cursing area and mostly free to express opinions.

I just don't think you need to change the site for one person. I also agree if people who support the Liberal view want to post go for it. Nobody ever told me that I had to support a certain view to post here, so what's the problem?????

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

   

Confucious say "if it ain't broke don't fix it!" may be good advice here.

   

Sweeeet!<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

   

Thanks C#. I think the changes Jesse is proposing he's been talking about for some time. They do work well on other boards, and make for more time to post, rather than edit or moderate.<p> And I enjoy the debates I've had here with Flick and Dave!<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

   

I think this is very smart, and would give a positive reason for anonymous posters to identify themselves. You identify yourself and are given a chance to help moderate the site. When control is vested in a hierarchy, with editors having the most power, identifying yourself isn't always the smartest thing to do (the anarchist talking in me). <p> Plus, there would be no need to institute a cumbersome system of "watchers watching the watchers".

   

Well Dr. Caleb and Jesse, I just hope whatever you do you remember that some of us are not, computer whizs; keep it simple k???

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

   

Dr. Caleb,

I don't always agree with your point of view or opinion but I want you to know I admire the hell out of you for standing up for your position and for the most part having an open, humorous and interesting mind. You make a good editor.

   

Ditto.

   

This all seems like a very pointless debate to me. First, bias is not a bad thing ... it is what helps us separate good from bad, intelligent from stupid, and so on.

By its very nature, this site is dedicated to Canadian sovereignty and I think it is implicit that the site intends that position to mean it is FOR that sovereignty, not just engaged in idle chatter about the issue. It is, therefore, biased in favour of Canadian sovereignty. Anyone who might be bothered by that sort of bias probably should find something else to read.

As for the political aspirations, or not, of people associated with the site, they are irrelevant. Susan has declared her candidacy for all to see so any bias she might have can be easily factored into anything she writes. But she has also largely stepped back during this campaign to allow others to run the show ... and introduce THEIR biases. No harm done, so far as I can see.

And I can certainly see no reason for the site to display any measure of neutrality. If it did, it would cease to represent its principles. Folks who wish to read about, let's say, conservative dogma, can locate sites that represent that mindset.

It seems to me the whole point of the part of the site where I am typing right now is to foster debate. So Vive posts articles that either support or dispute its basic reason for existence, or intelligently challenge or educate the reader in some way, and from those articles debate often erupts. Sometimes, it is good debate and actually manages to stay on the topic of the article.

The reader is free to comment as she or he sees fit and the publisher should be free to publish as it sees fit, giving heed only to the boundaries of legal and common decency issues.

But either way, the very nature of debate implies lack of neutrality and if that is good for the reader, it should be good for the publisher as well. Because if you truly want neutrality, every article in favour of Canadian sovereignty should be countered by an article favouring a dissolution of the country; every article opposing gay marriage, or separation of church and state, or proportional representation, or anti-hate, and so on should be countered by articles in favour of them; every anti-pornography article should be countered by some seedy photos ... well, you get my drift.

There is nothing wrong with any agenda that is placed up-front where people can see it: caveat lector is the rule of thumb and a site that touts itself to be firmly in favour of something ought to be able to stand up and say it loud.

Paul Harris

   

That software is called 'scoop'; I'll definitely do a test install sometime and see how it stacks up. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Jesse

   

It will hopefully get simpler, believe me. Everything should be as automatic as possible in the end.

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Jesse

   

You obviously don't know web programmers. If it's not broke but it's older than 6 months, it needs to be replaced with something shinier.

Seriously, there are various little things that could be improved. The current site works 'well enough' for now, but there's no doubt that it will move to a different codebase at some point.

ah, there we go, Scoop is the code that powers Kuro5hin. Yes, that is very much the direction I would like things to go on vive. Scoop's moderation has its own problems, sadly.

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Jesse

   

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